Dougie says: Well I finally got a chance to see the heartless monkey video
that Chas and Steve have. I thought I'd give you all my 2 cents worth and you can take it or leave it for whatever you want.
Wow....
Seriously...
Wow...
If you own, play, work, or even like to look at knives and you have not picked up this video you are missing out on something.
I can't believe the amount of info this video has. Everything from practical carry and use info on knife fighting to emotional/psychological aspects of fighting itself alone and knife use as well.
Don't get me wrong, the video quality itself is nothing to write home about. It's not Steven Speilberg or George Lucas quality.
It is what it CONTAINS that makes it so damn good. It's a good compilation of stuff DESPITE the video quality.
I went to a silat school a while back and when they tried to teach me a Juru I was bored stiff. I wanted to do the technical hands on stuff. Even when I asked application, when they showed me I could have cared less. It was boring and I couldn't see their application being useful. Thanx to Steve Gartin in that video I now have a better
understanding and on top of that a USEFUL application concept.
Chas, Chas, Chas...you old bastard. The stuff you were showing in what looked like your back yard was great everyday use on what to do with a knife when you are out in public. No sugar coated stuff you can do in the dojo. Sure there was some art aspects of the knife but most of the stuff I saw was fuctional. In fact, all through it I saw comparisons to stuff I do in Systema knife and stuff I have seen when I have been exposed to Pekiti Tersia. Vlad himself loves to "disarm
the gun" as you explained.
Steve...
Whoah...
You are one fluid son of a biotch. That double knife part of the video had my head moving like a spectator at a retarded doubles tennis match with 10 tennis balls in action. The talk you gave on
drawing the blade and using it even when folded or the shealth being a weapon and how to combine the two was great. I've seen stuff like that but your explanation was awesome and you follwed it along by giving kewl examples.
Midway through my viewing I was interrupted by a friend whom I like to train with, within minutes he spoke up with, "Can I borrow this?" Of couse being the friend I am I said "No." Ha ha ha! But he sat down and watched it with me. Totally enthralled.
Who was that kid at the start of the video? Wow! He's like 10 and moves like that? Uncle Bill looked like some old dude but watching carefully his motion with that knife he's and old dude I would be saying, "Uhhh...is there anything I can get for you...Sir?"
Also, that intro was kewl. At first I thought it was kinda stupid and just an intro for the credits and bad music but then I suddenly stopped and saw a gate into for grappling. I was like, "Damn,
I am trying that in submission fighting this week. In fact, there is another one. Hey, that's another entry!"
Anyway, Pierre! Dude, you will LOVE this video. I know that it's expensive making the cash converstion but I honestly would recommend it. Badger, and the rest of us Canucks, you guys too.
Seriously, thanx Chas and Steve. But now I hate you. It's not fair. Like a pusher who gives out his first samples to hook his clientel. But I have to say, when you get videos of actual fighting
men, (and not some wacko who is theoretical about his art and has videos in a sterile evironment where he explain how things "should work,") well, you can appreciate them.
A big thumbs up from me. Anyone on RMA who buys this video IMHO will be getting their money's worth and a ton of stuff that they can use to work in training that will be helpful.
...and that's my bottom line!
DougŪ
http://members.tripod.com/~russianmartialart/systema.html
Conversations from RecMartial.Arts NewsGroup follow: Comments from Rec.Martial-Arts:
Good evening DougŪ
Just got home and pulled up the group and what do I find!
I'm humbled - thank you.
"DougŪ" <sokolistalinaREMOVE@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:gh5t5v8hsdf045fs2r4cqu3o2tnu78m7va@4ax.com...
> Well I finally got a chance to see the heartless monkey video
> that Chas and Steve have. I thought I'd give you all my 2 cents worth
> and you can take it or leave it for whatever you want.
> Wow....
> Seriously...
> Wow...
> If you own, play, work, or even like to look at knives and you
> have not picked up this video you are missing out on something.
> I can't believe the amount of info this video has. Everything
> from practical carry and use info on knife fighting to
> emotional/psychological aspects of fighting itself alone and knife use
> as well.
Do you think a sequel would be in order?
> Don't get me wrong, the video quality itself is nothing to
> write home about. It's not Steven Speilberg or George Lucas quality.
> It is what it CONTAINS that makes it so damn good. It's a good
> compilation of stuff DESPITE the video quality.
I'm working on the quality issue, but quality is directly affected by cash
flow; and it has been a bit of a struggle for me the past 10 years or so.
The next influx of cash will buy new equipment - the improvement in quality
of production should be noticable. I'm working on the Heartless Monkey
Knife DVD right this moment and it looks better to me.
> I went to a silat school a while back and when they tried to
> teach me a Juru I was bored stiff. I wanted to do the technical hands
> on stuff. Even when I asked application, when they showed me I could
> have cared less. It was boring and I couldn't see their application
> being useful. Thanx to Steve Gartin in that video I now have a better
> understanding and on top of that a USEFUL application concept.
We like to teach the application with the technique so that folks understand
WHY they are making certain precise movements. Seems an easier way to
understand for me, but I find that only mature practitioners view things
from that stand-point. Most folks like the flashy stuff.
> Chas, Chas, Chas...you old bastard. The stuff you were showing
> in what looked like your back yard was great everyday use on what to
> do with a knife when you are out in public. No sugar coated stuff you
> can do in the dojo. Sure there was some art aspects of the knife but
> most of the stuff I saw was fuctional. In fact, all through it I saw
> comparisons to stuff I do in Systema knife and stuff I have seen when
> I have been exposed to Pekiti Tersia. Vlad himself loves to "disarm
> the gun" as you explained.
Chas has a talent for nitty-gritty explanation! As a matter of fact, I can
think of no-one his equal in that realm. I've always felt that he and I
make a complimentary teaching unit - especially since he can explain me
better than I can!
> Steve...
> Whoah...
> You are one fluid son of a biotch. That double knife part of
> the video had my head moving like a spectator at a retarded doubles
> tennis match with 10 tennis balls in action. The talk you gave on
> drawing the blade and using it even when folded or the shealth being a
> weapon and how to combine the two was great. I've seen stuff like that
> but your explanation was awesome and you follwed it along by giving
> kewl examples.
We've actually had a lot of information out in high-level circles for a
decade or better. Lots of self-proclaimed *experts* have been using our
material for some time now. I appreciate your compliment - thank you.
> Midway through my viewing I was interrupted by a friend whom I
> like to train with, within minutes he spoke up with, "Can I borrow
> this?" Of couse being the friend I am I said "No." Ha ha ha! But he
> sat down and watched it with me. Totally enthralled.
Thanks for spreading the word. That is our best advertisement.
> Who was that kid at the start of the video? Wow! He's like 10
> and moves like that?
That's my son, Elijah Rock Gartin - he was six and seven then. Since it's a
*family art* everyone practices.
>Uncle Bill looked like some old dude but watching
> carefully his motion with that knife he's and old dude I would be
> saying, "Uhhh...is there anything I can get for you...Sir?"
When I first met Uncle Bill, we used to kid about him being *most likely to
be mugged* jest from the stand-point that he appears an easy mark. . .
Woops! - some day I'll tell you some really funny stories. . .
> Also, that intro was kewl. At first I thought it was kinda
> stupid and just an intro for the credits and bad music but then I
> suddenly stopped and saw a gate into for grappling. I was like, "Damn,
> I am trying that in submission fighting this week. In fact, there is
> another one. Hey, that's another entry!"
We call that *play* - but to get the real drift, you need to have a knife in
your hands.
> Anyway, Pierre! Dude, you will LOVE this video. I know that
> it's expensive making the cash converstion but I honestly would
> recommend it. Badger, and the rest of us Canucks, you guys too.
Hey, you Canadian guys shouldn't be sucking hind tit here just because of
the conversion. Let's figure out how we can level the price field for you
guys - let me know and Chas and I will make adjustments.
> Seriously, thanx Chas and Steve. But now I hate you. It's not
> fair. Like a pusher who gives out his first samples to hook his
> clientel. But I have to say, when you get videos of actual fighting
> men, (and not some wacko who is theoretical about his art and has
> videos in a sterile evironment where he explain how things "should
> work,") well, you can appreciate them.
DougŪ - that is a high complement and I appreciate it. I want to thank you
for such a positive review.
> A big thumbs up from me. Anyone on RMA who buys this video
> IMHO will be getting their money's worth and a ton of stuff that they
> can use to work in training that will be helpful.
> ...and that's my bottom line!
>
> DougŪ
> http://members.tripod.com/~russianmartialart/systema.html
The Canadian contingency has certainly earned my respect and admiration.
You guys all strike me as sincere and dedicated practitioners and I truly
appreciate all your support over the years. When there is a way that I can
be of assistance to any of you gentlemen, please let me know.
With highest regards,
Steve Gartin - Free :-)>
www.kuntaosilat.com
Steve Gartin wrote:
> ......When there is a way that I can
> be of assistance to any of you gentlemen, please let me know.
Yeah; what he said.
And, anyone else who's having trouble with the prices, let me know. I
know it sounds silly to say we're not in this for the money, but we've
been giving away the store since we started out.
Ask my wife <g>
The de Thouars Brothers gave this as a gift, and we can do no less.
Admittedly, we're trying to pay off equipment and buy more, fix stuff,
and make more tapes and all that, but this has never been a paying
proposition for anyone involved.
The Gift of Gold has always been the same for the Widow's Son as it is
for the Son of the Sultan; you do what you can with an open heart and
a generous hand.
--
Chas Clements
casemaker 303-910-2685 (Denver area)
On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 01:22:55 +0100, "Jacob Andersen" <duk@glem.det>
scribbled with their crayola:
>It's a pretty good video, eh?
I really enjoyed it.
DougŪ
http://members.tripod.com/~russianmartialart/systema.html
Yup Heartless Monkey Knife 2 would be cool, and then we could hear Chas say
more memorable quotes like "stick it in and rowdy them around" and "they
wiggle around and shit". I showed my wife a barrowed Paul Vunak tape after
watching some of HMK and she said What the hell is he (Paul Vunak) doing? I
just laughed. HMK is everything everyone said it was, a sequel would be a
must have I'm sure.
"Steve Gartin" <steve@thunderrock.net> wrote in message
news:3e5ee1d9_1@omega.dimensional.com...
> Good evening DougŪ
> Just got home and pulled up the group and what do I find!
> I'm humbled - thank you.
> "DougŪ" <sokolistalinaREMOVE@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:gh5t5v8hsdf045fs2r4cqu3o2tnu78m7va@4ax.com...
> > Well I finally got a chance to see the heartless monkey video
> > that Chas and Steve have. I thought I'd give you all my 2 cents worth
> > and you can take it or leave it for whatever you want.
> > Wow....
> > Seriously...
> > Wow...
> > If you own, play, work, or even like to look at knives and you
> > have not picked up this video you are missing out on something.
> > I can't believe the amount of info this video has. Everything
> > from practical carry and use info on knife fighting to
> > emotional/psychological aspects of fighting itself alone and knife use
> > as well.
>
> Do you think a sequel would be in order?
>
> > Don't get me wrong, the video quality itself is nothing to
> > write home about. It's not Steven Speilberg or George Lucas quality.
> > It is what it CONTAINS that makes it so damn good. It's a good
> > compilation of stuff DESPITE the video quality.
>
> I'm working on the quality issue, but quality is directly affected by cash
> flow; and it has been a bit of a struggle for me the past 10 years or so.
> The next influx of cash will buy new equipment - the improvement in
quality
> of production should be noticable. I'm working on the Heartless Monkey
> Knife DVD right this moment and it looks better to me.
>
> > I went to a silat school a while back and when they tried to
> > teach me a Juru I was bored stiff. I wanted to do the technical hands
> > on stuff. Even when I asked application, when they showed me I could
> > have cared less. It was boring and I couldn't see their application
> > being useful. Thanx to Steve Gartin in that video I now have a better
> > understanding and on top of that a USEFUL application concept.
>
> We like to teach the application with the technique so that folks
understand
> WHY they are making certain precise movements. Seems an easier way to
> understand for me, but I find that only mature practitioners view things
> from that stand-point. Most folks like the flashy stuff.
>
> > Chas, Chas, Chas...you old bastard. The stuff you were showing
> > in what looked like your back yard was great everyday use on what to
> > do with a knife when you are out in public. No sugar coated stuff you
> > can do in the dojo. Sure there was some art aspects of the knife but
> > most of the stuff I saw was fuctional. In fact, all through it I saw
> > comparisons to stuff I do in Systema knife and stuff I have seen when
> > I have been exposed to Pekiti Tersia. Vlad himself loves to "disarm
> > the gun" as you explained.
>
> Chas has a talent for nitty-gritty explanation! As a matter of fact, I
can
> think of no-one his equal in that realm. I've always felt that he and I
> make a complimentary teaching unit - especially since he can explain me
> better than I can!
>
> > Steve...
> > Whoah...
> > You are one fluid son of a biotch. That double knife part of
> > the video had my head moving like a spectator at a retarded doubles
> > tennis match with 10 tennis balls in action. The talk you gave on
> > drawing the blade and using it even when folded or the shealth being a
> > weapon and how to combine the two was great. I've seen stuff like that
> > but your explanation was awesome and you follwed it along by giving
> > kewl examples.
>
> We've actually had a lot of information out in high-level circles for a
> decade or better. Lots of self-proclaimed *experts* have been using our
> material for some time now. I appreciate your compliment - thank you.
>
> > Midway through my viewing I was interrupted by a friend whom I
> > like to train with, within minutes he spoke up with, "Can I borrow
> > this?" Of couse being the friend I am I said "No." Ha ha ha! But he
> > sat down and watched it with me. Totally enthralled.
>
> Thanks for spreading the word. That is our best advertisement.
>
> > Who was that kid at the start of the video? Wow! He's like 10
> > and moves like that?
>
> That's my son, Elijah Rock Gartin - he was six and seven then. Since it's
a
> *family art* everyone practices.
>
> >Uncle Bill looked like some old dude but watching
> > carefully his motion with that knife he's and old dude I would be
> > saying, "Uhhh...is there anything I can get for you...Sir?"
>
> When I first met Uncle Bill, we used to kid about him being *most likely
to
> be mugged* jest from the stand-point that he appears an easy mark. . .
> Woops! - some day I'll tell you some really funny stories. . .
>
> > Also, that intro was kewl. At first I thought it was kinda
> > stupid and just an intro for the credits and bad music but then I
> > suddenly stopped and saw a gate into for grappling. I was like, "Damn,
> > I am trying that in submission fighting this week. In fact, there is
> > another one. Hey, that's another entry!"
>
> We call that *play* - but to get the real drift, you need to have a knife
in
> your hands.
>
> > Anyway, Pierre! Dude, you will LOVE this video. I know that
> > it's expensive making the cash converstion but I honestly would
> > recommend it. Badger, and the rest of us Canucks, you guys too.
>
> Hey, you Canadian guys shouldn't be sucking hind tit here just because of
> the conversion. Let's figure out how we can level the price field for you
> guys - let me know and Chas and I will make adjustments.
>
> > Seriously, thanx Chas and Steve. But now I hate you. It's not
> > fair. Like a pusher who gives out his first samples to hook his
> > clientel. But I have to say, when you get videos of actual fighting
> > men, (and not some wacko who is theoretical about his art and has
> > videos in a sterile evironment where he explain how things "should
> > work,") well, you can appreciate them.
>
> DougŪ - that is a high complement and I appreciate it. I want to thank
you
> for such a positive review.
>
> > A big thumbs up from me. Anyone on RMA who buys this video
> > IMHO will be getting their money's worth and a ton of stuff that they
> > can use to work in training that will be helpful.
> > ...and that's my bottom line!
> >
> > DougŪ
> > http://members.tripod.com/~russianmartialart/systema.html
>
> The Canadian contingency has certainly earned my respect and admiration.
> You guys all strike me as sincere and dedicated practitioners and I truly
> appreciate all your support over the years. When there is a way that I
can
> be of assistance to any of you gentlemen, please let me know.
>
> With highest regards,
>
> Steve Gartin - Free :-)>
> www.kuntaosilat.com
>
>
>
On 28 Feb 2003 09:36:48 GMT, baj7d@node12.unix.Virginia.EDU (Badger)
scribbled with their crayola:
>OK the quality is not so good, but do you mean 'video quality'
>as in fuzzy or out of focus or recorded at Extended mode
>(grainy) versus SLP (best quality on your VCR), or just the
>lighting and backyard aspect.
>I don't mind if it's got good content, but just wondering.
Well, the music is kinda cheesy heh heh heh but it's pretty
good. I think it's very clear and not grainy. When I say the video
quality is not the greatest I don't mean the picture is bad at all.
It's taken at seminars and in backyards etc and you can hear easily
what is going on so the sound isn't bad either. It's just not like
flashy high production quality.
The content however is really good and it's not hard to see or
hear it. Just don't be expecting any oscars! LOL!
>Thanks for the great review.
No problemo. I have about a handful of videos that I have
bought that are awesome production quality from other sources that the
information on them is just shit. This was the opposite. Good info on
an average production quality.
DougŪ
http://members.tripod.com/~russianmartialart/systema.html
hcannon18 wrote:
> OK how do I get these videos? I really would like to have a set. Charles
> can you go off RMA and e mail me a phone number to call and order with my
> visa? Or an address to send a check to or whatever.
My phone is in my sig- and the e-mail address is real; feel free to
call or write.
You get the vids by either paying me or paying the distribution
company. Our tape company is American Magnetic Media
(www.amagnetic.com) (1-800-USA-TAPES) and you can use your credit
card. I just set up a PayPal account, but I don't know what to do with
it yet, so business with me is cash, check or money order.
I can give the deals, the AMM can't.
> I have collected and studied about every knife video made. Some are
> terrible; but some are real good too. This one looks real good.
I've not heard anything bad about it except as regards the production
values. We're not movie makers, we're martial artists. The whole idea
started because Steve wanted to chronicle the de Thouars' system and
archive it for the future.
Heartless Monkey Knife talks about knife choices, grips, carry
systems, medical stuff, practice drills and solo exercises,
applications of principles, technique- it's a couple of hours long,
and there is a *lot* of information. We have them printed on the best
tape we can get, so you can use it hard.
You can also go through our website at (www.kuntaosilat.com) for the
special 3-tape deal, and use a credit card.
--
Chas Clements
casemaker 303-910-2685 (Denver area)
I know it has been said -- all the superlatives re the Chas/ Gartin videos.
The mark of good material, whether literary, musical, or visual, is its
staying power. The Chas/ Gartin efforts have this. On first view, you say
"Wow, this is practical, real, raw, good stuff." On second viewing, you say
the same and pick up more nuances, maybe some subtle asides. And so on and
on. Martial arts have more than their share of frivolity, fluff, and
pretension. The Chas/ Gartin productions are straight. One hopes that better
technical approaches will not diminish their warm, inviting (even
hospitable), and humorous qualities.
"Badger" <baj7d@node12.unix.Virginia.EDU> wrote in message
news:b3najg$sa0$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...
>
> One thing about instructional stuff. Isn't getting tapes
> actually better, in that most modern VCRs with 4 heads are able
> to do good slo-mo, and rewind than you can do with a DVD?
I don't think so. My DVD player can do frame-by-frame and four levels of
slo-mo inbetween. Since each frame is a digital picture, the quality
shouldn't degrade.
On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 14:41:02 GMT, Chas <gryphons@attbi.com> scribbled
with their crayola:
>Heartless Monkey Knife talks about knife choices, grips, carry
>systems, medical stuff, practice drills and solo exercises,
>applications of principles, technique- it's a couple of hours long,
>and there is a *lot* of information. We have them printed on the best
>tape we can get, so you can use it hard.
Fuck. I just watched it again and got more out of it. Kewl.
DougŪ
http://members.tripod.com/~russianmartialart/systema.html
On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:37:01 GMT, young_forest@hotmail.REEEMOVEcom
(Badger Jones) scribbled with their crayola:
>We've already got it, dude. Made us believers.
Let me guess, you never told me because I live south of
Toronto and you were afraid Ollie might intercept the message?
DougŪ
http://members.tripod.com/~russianmartialart/systema.html
You got it DougŪ - drop me an email.
Steve
"DougŪ" <sokolistalinaREMOVE@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:v91v5votcib2sljhjikrn6mpnpv82e4n3d@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:25:05 -0500, Kirk Lawson
> <NO_lklawson_SPAM@heapy.com_SPAMSUX> scribbled with their crayola:
>
> >Maybe you two could figure out a way to find a Canadian distributor.
> >That's all I'm say'n.
>
> I'd be a rep for my area of the country.
>
> >Steve said:
> >> > DougŪ - that is a high complement and I appreciate it. I want to
thank
> >> >you for such a positive review.
>
> >Doug said:
> >> Well, neither one of you guys is as good looking as me but
> >> heck, we can't all be as blessed.
> >> =)
>
> >I always figured I'd rather have a good look'n wife then to be good
> >look'n myself.
> >Funny how things work out, eh? ;-)
>
> Yeah, I managed to get both.
> =)
>
> DougŪ
> http://members.tripod.com/~russianmartialart/systema.html
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> DougŪ <sokolistalinaREMOVE@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<gh5t5v8hsdf045fs2r4cqu3o2tnu78m7va@4ax.com>...
> > Well I finally got a chance to see the heartless monkey video
> > that Chas and Steve have. I thought I'd give you all my 2 cents worth
> > and you can take it or leave it for whatever you want.
> > Wow....
>
> I realize I don't post here often, and tend to lurk (and laugh),
> however I train with Badger Jones and Kevin
Well, that could explain why you wouldn't want to poke your head up that
often. ;-)
Peace favor your sword (IH)
--
"In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or
knowledge of their use."
-Achille Marozzo, 1536
--
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artists gets together and a fight breaks out; quelle surprise."
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Not only do we not care about production values (as long as the
tape is clear and not grainy or out of focus, which these are
NOT), the content is totally Key.
Plus, I can tell you from my couple of convos with Steve and
Chas that these guys are TOP drawer, and well worth supporting
with our money and time.
-B
--
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"Badger" <baj7d@node3.unix.Virginia.EDU> wrote in message
news:b3oe6p$akb$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...
> In article <v5v0d71t780344@corp.supernews.com>,
> .B. <jagerball@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >"Badger" <baj7d@node12.unix.Virginia.EDU> wrote in message
> >news:b3najg$sa0$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...
> >>
> >> One thing about instructional stuff. Isn't getting tapes
> >> actually better, in that most modern VCRs with 4 heads are able
> >> to do good slo-mo, and rewind than you can do with a DVD?
> >
> >I don't think so. My DVD player can do frame-by-frame and four levels of
> >slo-mo inbetween. Since each frame is a digital picture, the quality
> >shouldn't degrade.
>
> Dammit. I just knew my DVD sucked! I got the Sony DVP-NS400D.
> It has no real slowmo controls at all. It's got Scan/Slow,
> which sucks, and that's it. @#%$$!@#
>
> What kind do you have? ;-)
Marantz DV3100. I'm lookin' for a new one though, maybe the Marantz DV8300
Why do they call it "Heartless Monkey"?
-frl
Dave Pimlott wrote:
> I look forward to HMK (or HMK 2) coming out on DVD (do you guys do
> pre-order?!? :) ). Also what would be the shipping costs to the UK?
It runs about $8.
We can pre-order simply by you're letting us know and I'll contact you
when things become available.
> I could use these DVD(s) to complement my Kali / Escrima skills (if you can
> call what I have "skill" ;) )
Sure- it's all very similar stuff in many ways.
--
Chas Clements
casemaker 303-910-2685 (Denver area)
Good evening Dave,
"Dave Pimlott" <nospam@spamfrustrator.invalid.tla> wrote in message
news:arho3b.mj.ln@bigun.home...
> On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:20:26 -0700, Steve Gartin <steve@thunderrock.net>
wrote:
> >
> > Do you think a sequel would be in order?
>
> judging by all the positive comments... YES!!
OK, I'll start work on it next week.
>
> I look forward to HMK (or HMK 2) coming out on DVD (do you guys do
> pre-order?!? :) ). Also what would be the shipping costs to the UK?
>
> I could use these DVD(s) to complement my Kali / Escrima skills (if you
can
> call what I have "skill" ;) )
>
As a matter of fact, I'm usually favorably impressed with the skills taught
in other martial arts. It is easier to take someone with *skill* and teach
applications than to start raw. IMO
> My reply to address is valid for any off newgroup correspondence.
So is mine . . . how unusual.
>
> With respect,
>
> Dave.
>
Mutually!
> --
> All extremists should be taken out and shot.
Sign me up.
Steve Gartin - Free :-)>
www.kuntaosilat.com
Yeah Badger South,
"Badger" <baj7d@node12.unix.Virginia.EDU> wrote in message
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>
>
> Thanks for the great review.
>
> By the way, I saw one video, fairly famousl, called 'surviving
> edged weapons' (SEW). And on it one of the 'experts' was doing
> a 'fast draw' of his knife. Man, it was just ridiculous. The
> guy was the slowest knife drawer I've ever seen. It's good to
> know that we now have a good quality tape on edged weapons. Of
> course part of SEW was pretty good. Just was laughing at the
> 'quick draw' part.
>
> -B
> --
> baj7d@virginia.edu
The COPs at Greenwood Village were watching that video when I brought Pak
Victor in and introduced him to the locals. They were BLOWN away. We ended
up conducting the first Offensive/Defensive Force Course there. The course
is now available on DVD or VHS.
http://www.kuntaosilat.com/webstore/shopping.htm
I've sent a master to Pak Victor so he may have it on his website soon too.
Steve Gartin - Free :-)>
www.kuntaosilat.com
> I just set up a PayPal account, but I don't know what to do with
>it yet, so business with me is cash, check or money order.
>I can give the deals, the AMM can't.
>
Hey Chas,
I been a regular with PayPal for some time now.
If you need anything, holler. If your account is open
all you need to give is your Paypal name and anyone here
can begin sending payments to your account.
Get the Debit Card and you can use it anywhere that takes MasterCard.
I use mine to ship at the post office. Makes it easy.
Reserve ODF for me. I.ll be rolling again as soon as I get back on
solid food <G>
Perk
Hello All,
Just got another site up: http://www.dimensional.com/~gartin/KTS/DVDs.html
No banners - no bandwidth problems, more DVDs listed.
Steve Gartin - Free :-)>
www.kuntaosilat.com
"Steve Gartin" <steve@thunderrock.net> wrote in message
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> Yeah Badger South,
>
> "Badger" <baj7d@node12.unix.Virginia.EDU> wrote in message
> news:b3najg$sa0$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the great review.
> >
> > By the way, I saw one video, fairly famousl, called 'surviving
> > edged weapons' (SEW). And on it one of the 'experts' was doing
> > a 'fast draw' of his knife. Man, it was just ridiculous. The
> > guy was the slowest knife drawer I've ever seen. It's good to
> > know that we now have a good quality tape on edged weapons. Of
> > course part of SEW was pretty good. Just was laughing at the
> > 'quick draw' part.
> >
> > -B
> > --
> > baj7d@virginia.edu
>
> The COPs at Greenwood Village were watching that video when I brought Pak
> Victor in and introduced him to the locals. They were BLOWN away. We
ended
> up conducting the first Offensive/Defensive Force Course there. The
course
> is now available on DVD or VHS.
> http://www.kuntaosilat.com/webstore/shopping.htm
>
> I've sent a master to Pak Victor so he may have it on his website soon
too.
>
> Steve Gartin - Free :-)>
> www.kuntaosilat.com
>
>
>
In article <3e6021a1_3@omega.dimensional.com>,
Steve Gartin <steve@thunderrock.net> wrote:
>Yeah Badger South,
>
>"Badger" <baj7d@node12.unix.Virginia.EDU> wrote in message
>news:b3najg$sa0$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the great review.
>>
>> By the way, I saw one video, fairly famousl, called 'surviving
>> edged weapons' (SEW). And on it one of the 'experts' was doing
>> a 'fast draw' of his knife. Man, it was just ridiculous. The
>> guy was the slowest knife drawer I've ever seen. It's good to
>> know that we now have a good quality tape on edged weapons. Of
>> course part of SEW was pretty good. Just was laughing at the
>> 'quick draw' part.
>>
>> -B
>> --
>> baj7d@virginia.edu
>
>The COPs at Greenwood Village were watching that video when I brought Pak
>Victor in and introduced him to the locals. They were BLOWN away. We ended
>up conducting the first Offensive/Defensive Force Course there. The course
>is now available on DVD or VHS.
>http://www.kuntaosilat.com/webstore/shopping.htm
>
>I've sent a master to Pak Victor so he may have it on his website soon too.
>
>Steve Gartin - Free :-)>
>www.kuntaosilat.com
>
Just a quick tip that I'm sure most of you guys know already.
"How so you get your weapon out of an ankle holster. Isn't it a
pain to try and bend over and stuff and pull your pant leg up?"
(The guy on the SEW video was trying to do this.)
Sheesh, you just go to a kneeling position with the housed leg
up, and the uh pants leg rises up accordingly. Plus you've just
created a smaller target.
Alternately, you raise the housed leg up and put it on the
table or chair, red-neck loitering position while you're
talking to the bad-guy, all casual, house position on the inner
ankle hidden by your leg forward, and you can snap the weapon
out so fast it will scare the shit outta him.
I thought everyone knew this.
BTW, a friend of a friend just got one of those AlMar Corby
Tanto folders for his b-Day. I called him up and all you could
hear was the 'snap', 'snap' of him firing that puppy. Heh, heh.
GOt a good deal on it too. Swift item. Of course it's not as
fast as a microtech, but I guess he's savin' up fer dat. I had
no idea you could get those as a civvy! No questions asked, he
told me. ;-)
-B
--
baj7d@virginia.edu
In article <v5vlkm31go7q1a@corp.supernews.com>,
.B. <jagerball@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>"Badger" <baj7d@node3.unix.Virginia.EDU> wrote in message
>news:b3oe6p$akb$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...
>> In article <v5v0d71t780344@corp.supernews.com>,
>> .B. <jagerball@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Badger" <baj7d@node12.unix.Virginia.EDU> wrote in message
>> >news:b3najg$sa0$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...
>> >>
>> >> One thing about instructional stuff. Isn't getting tapes
>> >> actually better, in that most modern VCRs with 4 heads are able
>> >> to do good slo-mo, and rewind than you can do with a DVD?
>> >
>> >I don't think so. My DVD player can do frame-by-frame and four levels of
>> >slo-mo inbetween. Since each frame is a digital picture, the quality
>> >shouldn't degrade.
>>
>> Dammit. I just knew my DVD sucked! I got the Sony DVP-NS400D.
>> It has no real slowmo controls at all. It's got Scan/Slow,
>> which sucks, and that's it. @#%$$!@#
>>
>> What kind do you have? ;-)
>
>
>Marantz DV3100. I'm lookin' for a new one though, maybe the Marantz DV8300
OK, I'll check that out on pricescan.com, and others. I'm
looking for one of the newer ones that plays .mpgs, too. Maybe
I'll donate the Sony to a poor relative? ;-)
Thanksamillion!
-B
--
baj7d@virginia.edu
Hey Chas,
Any new self-defense products in the works?
<blushing> Hey, thank you! I appreciate your kind sentiments.
Steve
<yotony@rmi.net> wrote in message
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>
> I know it has been said -- all the superlatives re the Chas/ Gartin
videos.
> The mark of good material, whether literary, musical, or visual, is its
> staying power. The Chas/ Gartin efforts have this. On first view, you say
> "Wow, this is practical, real, raw, good stuff." On second viewing, you
say
> the same and pick up more nuances, maybe some subtle asides. And so on and
> on. Martial arts have more than their share of frivolity, fluff, and
> pretension. The Chas/ Gartin productions are straight. One hopes that
better
> technical approaches will not diminish their warm, inviting (even
> hospitable), and humorous qualities.
"DougŪ" <sokolistalinaREMOVE@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:q02v5vskd0t6o48c03v45a93qs0en2ho7q@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:37:01 GMT, young_forest@hotmail.REEEMOVEcom
> (Badger Jones) scribbled with their crayola:
>
> >We've already got it, dude. Made us believers.
>
> Let me guess, you never told me because I live south of
> Toronto and you were afraid Ollie might intercept the message?
>
> DougŪ
> http://members.tripod.com/~russianmartialart/systema.html
Any part of Canada south of TO is almost the USA anyway. I mean, they have
*vinyards* in S. Ont.- it's almost like California! Besides, it's not like
you can swim in Lake Erie. Ontario is supposed to have *fresh* water. ;)
Except for Walkerton, of course. :(
tpm
Good Evening,
Chas is often shy about taking credit, but Chas coined the term. Sounded
great to me, so we went with it.
Steve Gartin - Free :-)>
www.kuntaosilat.com
"Chas" <gryphons@attbi.com> wrote in message
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> Oliver Richman wrote:
> >
> > Why do they call it "Heartless Monkey"?
>
> Because Monkey fights 'wide open, heartless and inviting'.
> Monkey is the only 'animal model' that looks like Man (don't think of
> the little Paulie Zink Monkey, think of a mandrill/baboon/rock ape).
> SerakŪ is known as the Decoy System because we set up traps for the
> opponent; positioning, timing, spacial things, sounds- all kinds of
> them. As much as we're based on any Chinese model of martial art, it
> is all filtered through the Indonesian outlook on things.
>
> --
> Chas Clements
> casemaker 303-910-2685 (Denver area)
Oliver Richman wrote:
>
> Why do they call it "Heartless Monkey"?
Because Monkey fights 'wide open, heartless and inviting'.
Monkey is the only 'animal model' that looks like Man (don't think of
the little Paulie Zink Monkey, think of a mandrill/baboon/rock ape).
SerakŪ is known as the Decoy System because we set up traps for the
opponent; positioning, timing, spacial things, sounds- all kinds of
them. As much as we're based on any Chinese model of martial art, it
is all filtered through the Indonesian outlook on things.
--
Chas Clements
casemaker 303-910-2685 (Denver area)
Rob Peaker wrote:
> ......I
> used Chas' trick of reinforcing my knife hand with my free hand.
It's the de Thouars' trick.
Victor says; 'Two hands for beginners; two hands for gurus too.'
A lot of what we do is to isolate the opponents 'part' (arm, leg,
head, etc) and apply a lot of our body to it. Same thing the other
way; we reinforce any body part as it attacks or defends.
Victor also said; 'If you can't fight the (whole) man, fight the arm;
if you can't fight the arm, fight the hand; if you can't fight the
hand, fight the finger; if you can't fight the finger, fight the
joint; if you can't fight the joint, fight the skin.' You pick
whatever it is you think you can whip and cut it off from it's
defenses.
--
Chas Clements
casemaker 303-910-2685 (Denver area)
On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:20:26 -0700, Steve Gartin <steve@thunderrock.net> wrote:
>
> Do you think a sequel would be in order?
judging by all the positive comments... YES!!
I look forward to HMK (or HMK 2) coming out on DVD (do you guys do
pre-order?!? :) ). Also what would be the shipping costs to the UK?
I could use these DVD(s) to complement my Kali / Escrima skills (if you can
call what I have "skill" ;) )
My reply to address is valid for any off newgroup correspondence.
With respect,
Dave.
--
All extremists should be taken out and shot.
In article <v5v0d71t780344@corp.supernews.com>,
.B. <jagerball@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>"Badger" <baj7d@node12.unix.Virginia.EDU> wrote in message
>news:b3najg$sa0$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...
>>
>> One thing about instructional stuff. Isn't getting tapes
>> actually better, in that most modern VCRs with 4 heads are able
>> to do good slo-mo, and rewind than you can do with a DVD?
>
>I don't think so. My DVD player can do frame-by-frame and four levels of
>slo-mo inbetween. Since each frame is a digital picture, the quality
>shouldn't degrade.
Dammit. I just knew my DVD sucked! I got the Sony DVP-NS400D.
It has no real slowmo controls at all. It's got Scan/Slow,
which sucks, and that's it. @#%$$!@#
What kind do you have? ;-)
-B
--
baj7d@virginia.edu
DougŪ <sokolistalinaREMOVE@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<gh5t5v8hsdf045fs2r4cqu3o2tnu78m7va@4ax.com>...
> Well I finally got a chance to see the heartless monkey video
> that Chas and Steve have. I thought I'd give you all my 2 cents worth
> and you can take it or leave it for whatever you want.
> Wow....
I realize I don't post here often, and tend to lurk (and laugh),
however I train with Badger Jones and Kevin (if you really want to you
can ask them). We were doing some knife work a couple of weeks
ago...the hot potato drill. (See desc. of this drill below.)
Anyhow, the intensity level was rising, and I ended up going for a low
stab at one of the more solid members of our club. He grabbed and
isolated my knife hand and was getting a good start on a disarm. Due
to the fact that I had recently been watching Kev's copy of HMK, I
used Chas' trick of reinforcing my knife hand with my free hand. The
net result was that my rather solid training partner ended up taking
the training blade right across the throat. Ouch! Just one of the
little gems that I picked up from the video....
Hot Potato Drill:
- 1 training knife
- a group of participants in a circle, one starts out in the middle of
the circle, with the knife
- the knife wielder randomly singles out an opponent and attacks
- the defender counters and goes for a disarm, once the disarm has
been achieved, he becomes the new attacker and again randomly selects
someone and attacks (with the disarmed opponent going back into the
circle)
- the knife is the hot potato
- the idea is to train flow and reaction time
- start with a co-operative mindset and gradually increase the
resistance
Cheers,
Rob.
DougŪ <sokolistalinaREMOVE@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<gh5t5v8hsdf045fs2r4cqu3o2tnu78m7va@4ax.com>...
> Anyway, Pierre! Dude, you will LOVE this video.
I *do* love that video. I've had it for more than a year now, and
every time I watch it I learn something new. "Information Rich" is
hardly adequate.
I agree with everything you said, BTW. I recommend this video every
chance I get.
Pierre
On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:25:05 -0500, Kirk Lawson
<NO_lklawson_SPAM@heapy.com_SPAMSUX> scribbled with their crayola:
>Maybe you two could figure out a way to find a Canadian distributor.
>That's all I'm say'n.
I'd be a rep for my area of the country.
>Steve said:
>> > DougŪ - that is a high complement and I appreciate it. I want to thank
>> >you for such a positive review.
>Doug said:
>> Well, neither one of you guys is as good looking as me but
>> heck, we can't all be as blessed.
>> =)
>I always figured I'd rather have a good look'n wife then to be good
>look'n myself.
>Funny how things work out, eh? ;-)
Yeah, I managed to get both.
=)
DougŪ
http://members.tripod.com/~russianmartialart/systema.html
On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:25:50 -0500, DougŪ
<sokolistalinaREMOVE@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Anyway, Pierre! Dude, you will LOVE this video. I know that
>it's expensive making the cash converstion but I honestly would
>recommend it. Badger, and the rest of us Canucks, you guys too.
We've already got it, dude. Made us believers.
Badger Jones
www.cyberus.ca/~badger
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"DougŪ" wrote:
> > Hey, you Canadian guys shouldn't be sucking hind tit here just because of
> > the conversion. Let's figure out how we can level the price field for you
> > guys - let me know and Chas and I will make adjustments.
>
> Us Canadian guys always have to suck it up and take it when it
> comes to getting videos from the USA. This is why many of us are
> reluctant to buy from the USA and when one of us finds something good
> we let the others know. Thus if you have good stuff you'll find most
> of us will buy it. If you sell shitty stuff we avoid you like the
> plague because we tend to let each other know to avoid all of us
> getting screwed. I suggest though that everyone contact you if they
> want the video and talk to you.
Maybe you two could figure out a way to find a Canadian distributor.
That's all I'm say'n.
> > DougŪ - that is a high complement and I appreciate it. I want to thank
> >you for such a positive review.
>
> Well, neither one of you guys is as good looking as me but
> heck, we can't all be as blessed.
> =)
I always figured I'd rather have a good look'n wife then to be good
look'n myself.
Funny how things work out, eh? ;-)
Peace favor your sword (IH)
--
"In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or
knowledge of their use."
-Achille Marozzo, 1536
--
"...it's the nature of the media and the participants. A herd of martial
artists gets together and a fight breaks out; quelle surprise."
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"Chas" <gryphons@attbi.com> wrote in message
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> hcannon18 wrote:
> > OK how do I get these videos? I really would like to have a set.
Charles
> > can you go off RMA and e mail me a phone number to call and order with
my
> > visa? Or an address to send a check to or whatever.
>
> My phone is in my sig- and the e-mail address is real; feel free to
> call or write.
> You get the vids by either paying me or paying the distribution
> company. Our tape company is American Magnetic Media
> (www.amagnetic.com) (1-800-USA-TAPES) and you can use your credit
> card. I just set up a PayPal account, but I don't know what to do with
> it yet, so business with me is cash, check or money order.
> I can give the deals, the AMM can't.
>
> > I have collected and studied about every knife video made. Some are
> > terrible; but some are real good too. This one looks real good.
>
> I've not heard anything bad about it except as regards the production
> values. We're not movie makers, we're martial artists. The whole idea
> started because Steve wanted to chronicle the de Thouars' system and
> archive it for the future.
> Heartless Monkey Knife talks about knife choices, grips, carry
> systems, medical stuff, practice drills and solo exercises,
> applications of principles, technique- it's a couple of hours long,
> and there is a *lot* of information. We have them printed on the best
> tape we can get, so you can use it hard.
> You can also go through our website at (www.kuntaosilat.com) for the
> special 3-tape deal, and use a credit card.
>
> --
> Chas Clements
> casemaker 303-910-2685 (Denver area)
"Steve Gartin" <steve@thunderrock.net> scribbled with their crayola:
> Good evening DougŪ
> Just got home and pulled up the group and what do I find!
> I'm humbled - thank you.
No worries. I tellit like I see it. If I felt it had been crap
I would have said so. You always take a big step when you put what you
do on video out for others to critique.
> Do you think a sequel would be in order?
I think that if you have this kind of stuff to share many
people would do well to check it out.
> I'm working on the quality issue, but quality is directly affected by cash
> flow; and it has been a bit of a struggle for me the past 10 years or so.
> The next influx of cash will buy new equipment - the improvement in
>quality of production should be noticable. I'm working on the Heartless Monkey
> Knife DVD right this moment and it looks better to me.
The quality doesn't bug me. I pulled at least 3 entry's for my
grappling out of the intro alone that I will be trying.
> We like to teach the application with the technique so that folks
>understand WHY they are making certain precise movements. Seems an easier way to
> understand for me, but I find that only mature practitioners view things
> from that stand-point. Most folks like the flashy stuff.
My problem was that the place I went to showed me what it
could be used for but we never had the time to actually work it. Most
of my previous training left me with the impression that once you have
practical application you start training it asap. So I was a little
frustrated.
> Chas has a talent for nitty-gritty explanation! As a matter of fact, I
>can think of no-one his equal in that realm. I've always felt that he and I
> make a complimentary teaching unit - especially since he can explain me
> better than I can!
I liked how he brought you in and out at that one seminar when
he wanted to show an example of something.
> We've actually had a lot of information out in high-level circles for a
> decade or better. Lots of self-proclaimed *experts* have been using our
> material for some time now. I appreciate your compliment - thank you.
Dunno anything about that. I just can comment on what i saw.
> Thanks for spreading the word. That is our best advertisement.
Why hide it I say? If people are exposed to it then they can
appreciate it or not. Their loss or gain.
> That's my son, Elijah Rock Gartin - he was six and seven then. Since it's
>a *family art* everyone practices.
Your son moves better than many artists I have seen.
> When I first met Uncle Bill, we used to kid about him being *most likely
>to be mugged* jest from the stand-point that he appears an easy mark. . .
>Woops! - some day I'll tell you some really funny stories. . .
Yeah, he sorta looks like some old codger until he starts to
move.
> We call that *play* - but to get the real drift, you need to have a knife
>in your hands.
The "Play" gave me nasty ideas. Heh heh heh...gonna try some.
> Hey, you Canadian guys shouldn't be sucking hind tit here just because of
> the conversion. Let's figure out how we can level the price field for you
> guys - let me know and Chas and I will make adjustments.
Us Canadian guys always have to suck it up and take it when it
comes to getting videos from the USA. This is why many of us are
reluctant to buy from the USA and when one of us finds something good
we let the others know. Thus if you have good stuff you'll find most
of us will buy it. If you sell shitty stuff we avoid you like the
plague because we tend to let each other know to avoid all of us
getting screwed. I suggest though that everyone contact you if they
want the video and talk to you.
> DougŪ - that is a high complement and I appreciate it. I want to thank
>you for such a positive review.
Well, neither one of you guys is as good looking as me but
heck, we can't all be as blessed.
=)
> The Canadian contingency has certainly earned my respect and admiration.
> You guys all strike me as sincere and dedicated practitioners and I truly
> appreciate all your support over the years. When there is a way that I
>can be of assistance to any of you gentlemen, please let me know.
>> With highest regards,
>> Steve Gartin - Free :-)>
>> www.kuntaosilat.com
Thanx. There are those of us up here who are fighters,
artists, and scrappers. Those kind of men are found everywhere because
they are the same breed regardless of nationality.
DougŪ
http://members.tripod.com/~russianmartialart/systema.html
"Chas" <gryphons@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:3E5ED200.C9DA793B@attbi.com...
> Loki@lokiland.org wrote:
> >
> > When I bought the 3 pack (Heartless Monkey, Daju Satu, Legwork) Chas 's
> > Combat cane video came with it ... FREE. I had to call Steve up and
thank
> > him. Thanks to you to Chas.
>
> Happy to do it- a little present for being a nice guy and tolerating a
> wait graciously.
>
> --
> Chas Clements
> casemaker 303-910-2685 (Denver area)
OK how do I get these videos? I really would like to have a set. Charles
can you go off RMA and e mail me a phone number to call and order with my
visa? Or an address to send a check to or whatever.
I have collected and studied about every knife video made. Some are
terrible; but some are real good too. This one looks real good.
One thing about instructional stuff. Isn't getting tapes
actually better, in that most modern VCRs with 4 heads are able
to do good slo-mo, and rewind than you can do with a DVD?
I realize tapes are on the way out, and tapes -wear out-, but
thought I'd ask.
OK the quality is not so good, but do you mean 'video quality'
as in fuzzy or out of focus or recorded at Extended mode
(grainy) versus SLP (best quality on your VCR), or just the
lighting and backyard aspect.
I don't mind if it's got good content, but just wondering.
Thanks for the great review.
By the way, I saw one video, fairly famousl, called 'surviving
edged weapons' (SEW). And on it one of the 'experts' was doing
a 'fast draw' of his knife. Man, it was just ridiculous. The
guy was the slowest knife drawer I've ever seen. It's good to
know that we now have a good quality tape on edged weapons. Of
course part of SEW was pretty good. Just was laughing at the
'quick draw' part.
-B
--
baj7d@virginia.edu
Yeah!
"Chas" <gryphons@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:3E5EE56E.AD22D2EB@attbi.com...
> Steve Gartin wrote:
> > ......When there is a way that I can
> > be of assistance to any of you gentlemen, please let me know.
>
> Yeah; what he said.
> And, anyone else who's having trouble with the prices, let me know. I
> know it sounds silly to say we're not in this for the money, but we've
> been giving away the store since we started out.
> Ask my wife <g>
And ask my Xwife!
> The de Thouars Brothers gave this as a gift, and we can do no less.
> Admittedly, we're trying to pay off equipment and buy more, fix stuff,
> and make more tapes and all that, but this has never been a paying
> proposition for anyone involved.
> The Gift of Gold has always been the same for the Widow's Son as it is
> for the Son of the Sultan; you do what you can with an open heart and
> a generous hand.
>
> --
> Chas Clements
> casemaker 303-910-2685 (Denver area)
Steve
Good Evening,
<Loki@lokiland.org> wrote in message
news:v5tiuc9gpq1tcd@corp.supernews.com...
> When I bought the 3 pack (Heartless Monkey, Daju Satu, Legwork) Chas 's
> Combat cane video came with it ... FREE. I had to call Steve up and thank
> him. Thanks to you to Chas.
>
> There is only one bad thing about these videos, the DVDs just came out and
> now I'll want to buy another set.
You know, you are probably not alone. I think we will make a deal on the
DVDs for the folks who have been buying the videos all along - we'll make it
up in volume. Drop me an email.
Steve Gartin - Free :-)>
www.kuntaosilat.com
Loki@lokiland.org wrote:
>
> When I bought the 3 pack (Heartless Monkey, Daju Satu, Legwork) Chas 's
> Combat cane video came with it ... FREE. I had to call Steve up and thank
> him. Thanks to you to Chas.
Happy to do it- a little present for being a nice guy and tolerating a
wait graciously.
--
Chas Clements
casemaker 303-910-2685 (Denver area)
When I bought the 3 pack (Heartless Monkey, Daju Satu, Legwork) Chas 's
Combat cane video came with it ... FREE. I had to call Steve up and thank
him. Thanks to you to Chas.
There is only one bad thing about these videos, the DVDs just came out and
now I'll want to buy another set.
"Jacob Andersen" <duk@glem.det> wrote in message
news:3e5eabda$0$14511$ba624c82@nntp04.dk.telia.net...
> "DougŪ" <sokolistalinaREMOVE@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:gh5t5v8hsdf045fs2r4cqu3o2tnu78m7va@4ax.com...
> > Well I finally got a chance to see the heartless monkey video
> > that Chas and Steve have. I thought I'd give you all my 2 cents worth
> > and you can take it or leave it for whatever you want.
> > Wow....
> > Seriously...
> > Wow...
> > If you own, play, work, or even like to look at knives and you
> > have not picked up this video you are missing out on something.
> > I can't believe the amount of info this video has. Everything
> > from practical carry and use info on knife fighting to
> > emotional/psychological aspects of fighting itself alone and knife use
> > as well.
> > Don't get me wrong, the video quality itself is nothing to
> > write home about. It's not Steven Speilberg or George Lucas quality.
> > It is what it CONTAINS that makes it so damn good. It's a good
> > compilation of stuff DESPITE the video quality.
> > I went to a silat school a while back and when they tried to
> > teach me a Juru I was bored stiff. I wanted to do the technical hands
> > on stuff. Even when I asked application, when they showed me I could
> > have cared less. It was boring and I couldn't see their application
> > being useful. Thanx to Steve Gartin in that video I now have a better
> > understanding and on top of that a USEFUL application concept.
> > Chas, Chas, Chas...you old bastard. The stuff you were showing
> > in what looked like your back yard was great everyday use on what to
> > do with a knife when you are out in public. No sugar coated stuff you
> > can do in the dojo. Sure there was some art aspects of the knife but
> > most of the stuff I saw was fuctional. In fact, all through it I saw
> > comparisons to stuff I do in Systema knife and stuff I have seen when
> > I have been exposed to Pekiti Tersia. Vlad himself loves to "disarm
> > the gun" as you explained.
> > Steve...
> > Whoah...
> > You are one fluid son of a biotch. That double knife part of
> > the video had my head moving like a spectator at a retarded doubles
> > tennis match with 10 tennis balls in action. The talk you gave on
> > drawing the blade and using it even when folded or the shealth being a
> > weapon and how to combine the two was great. I've seen stuff like that
> > but your explanation was awesome and you follwed it along by giving
> > kewl examples.
> > Midway through my viewing I was interrupted by a friend whom I
> > like to train with, within minutes he spoke up with, "Can I borrow
> > this?" Of couse being the friend I am I said "No." Ha ha ha! But he
> > sat down and watched it with me. Totally enthralled.
> > Who was that kid at the start of the video? Wow! He's like 10
> > and moves like that? Uncle Bill looked like some old dude but watching
> > carefully his motion with that knife he's and old dude I would be
> > saying, "Uhhh...is there anything I can get for you...Sir?"
> > Also, that intro was kewl. At first I thought it was kinda
> > stupid and just an intro for the credits and bad music but then I
> > suddenly stopped and saw a gate into for grappling. I was like, "Damn,
> > I am trying that in submission fighting this week. In fact, there is
> > another one. Hey, that's another entry!"
> > Anyway, Pierre! Dude, you will LOVE this video. I know that
> > it's expensive making the cash converstion but I honestly would
> > recommend it. Badger, and the rest of us Canucks, you guys too.
> > Seriously, thanx Chas and Steve. But now I hate you. It's not
> > fair. Like a pusher who gives out his first samples to hook his
> > clientel. But I have to say, when you get videos of actual fighting
> > men, (and not some wacko who is theoretical about his art and has
> > videos in a sterile evironment where he explain how things "should
> > work,") well, you can appreciate them.
> > A big thumbs up from me. Anyone on RMA who buys this video
> > IMHO will be getting their money's worth and a ton of stuff that they
> > can use to work in training that will be helpful.
> > ...and that's my bottom line!
> >
> > DougŪ
> > http://members.tripod.com/~russianmartialart/systema.html
>
> It's a pretty good video, eh?
>
> /Jacob
>
>
"DougŪ" <sokolistalinaREMOVE@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:gh5t5v8hsdf045fs2r4cqu3o2tnu78m7va@4ax.com...
> Well I finally got a chance to see the heartless monkey video
> that Chas and Steve have. I thought I'd give you all my 2 cents worth
> and you can take it or leave it for whatever you want.
> Wow....
> Seriously...
> Wow...
> If you own, play, work, or even like to look at knives and you
> have not picked up this video you are missing out on something.
> I can't believe the amount of info this video has. Everything
> from practical carry and use info on knife fighting to
> emotional/psychological aspects of fighting itself alone and knife use
> as well.
> Don't get me wrong, the video quality itself is nothing to
> write home about. It's not Steven Speilberg or George Lucas quality.
> It is what it CONTAINS that makes it so damn good. It's a good
> compilation of stuff DESPITE the video quality.
> I went to a silat school a while back and when they tried to
> teach me a Juru I was bored stiff. I wanted to do the technical hands
> on stuff. Even when I asked application, when they showed me I could
> have cared less. It was boring and I couldn't see their application
> being useful. Thanx to Steve Gartin in that video I now have a better
> understanding and on top of that a USEFUL application concept.
> Chas, Chas, Chas...you old bastard. The stuff you were showing
> in what looked like your back yard was great everyday use on what to
> do with a knife when you are out in public. No sugar coated stuff you
> can do in the dojo. Sure there was some art aspects of the knife but
> most of the stuff I saw was fuctional. In fact, all through it I saw
> comparisons to stuff I do in Systema knife and stuff I have seen when
> I have been exposed to Pekiti Tersia. Vlad himself loves to "disarm
> the gun" as you explained.
> Steve...
> Whoah...
> You are one fluid son of a biotch. That double knife part of
> the video had my head moving like a spectator at a retarded doubles
> tennis match with 10 tennis balls in action. The talk you gave on
> drawing the blade and using it even when folded or the shealth being a
> weapon and how to combine the two was great. I've seen stuff like that
> but your explanation was awesome and you follwed it along by giving
> kewl examples.
> Midway through my viewing I was interrupted by a friend whom I
> like to train with, within minutes he spoke up with, "Can I borrow
> this?" Of couse being the friend I am I said "No." Ha ha ha! But he
> sat down and watched it with me. Totally enthralled.
> Who was that kid at the start of the video? Wow! He's like 10
> and moves like that? Uncle Bill looked like some old dude but watching
> carefully his motion with that knife he's and old dude I would be
> saying, "Uhhh...is there anything I can get for you...Sir?"
> Also, that intro was kewl. At first I thought it was kinda
> stupid and just an intro for the credits and bad music but then I
> suddenly stopped and saw a gate into for grappling. I was like, "Damn,
> I am trying that in submission fighting this week. In fact, there is
> another one. Hey, that's another entry!"
> Anyway, Pierre! Dude, you will LOVE this video. I know that
> it's expensive making the cash converstion but I honestly would
> recommend it. Badger, and the rest of us Canucks, you guys too.
> Seriously, thanx Chas and Steve. But now I hate you. It's not
> fair. Like a pusher who gives out his first samples to hook his
> clientel. But I have to say, when you get videos of actual fighting
> men, (and not some wacko who is theoretical about his art and has
> videos in a sterile evironment where he explain how things "should
> work,") well, you can appreciate them.
> A big thumbs up from me. Anyone on RMA who buys this video
> IMHO will be getting their money's worth and a ton of stuff that they
> can use to work in training that will be helpful.
> ...and that's my bottom line!
>
> DougŪ
> http://members.tripod.com/~russianmartialart/systema.html
It's a pretty good video, eh?
/Jacob
>
Comments from Rec.Martial-Arts:
Good evening DougŪ
Just got home and pulled up the group and what do I
find!
I'm humbled - thank you.
"DougŪ" <sokolistalinaREMOVE@hotmail.com>
wrote in message
news:gh5t5v8hsdf045fs2r4cqu3o2tnu78m7va@4ax.com...
> Well I finally got a
chance to see the heartless monkey video
> that Chas and Steve have. I
thought I'd give you all my 2 cents worth
> and you can take it or leave it
for whatever you want.
> Wow....
> Seriously...
> Wow...
> If you
own, play, work, or even like to look at knives and you
> have not picked up
this video you are missing out on something.
> I can't believe the amount of
info this video has. Everything
> from practical carry and use info on knife
fighting to
> emotional/psychological aspects of fighting itself alone and
knife use
> as well.
Do you think a sequel would be in order?
>
Don't get me wrong, the video quality itself is nothing to
> write home
about. It's not Steven Speilberg or George Lucas quality.
> It is what it
CONTAINS that makes it so damn good. It's a good
> compilation of stuff
DESPITE the video quality.
I'm working on the quality issue, but quality
is directly affected by cash
flow; and it has been a bit of a struggle for me
the past 10 years or so.
The next influx of cash will buy new equipment - the
improvement in quality
of production should be noticable. I'm working
on the Heartless Monkey
Knife DVD right this moment and it looks better to
me.
> I went to a silat school a while back and when they tried to
>
teach me a Juru I was bored stiff. I wanted to do the technical hands
> on
stuff. Even when I asked application, when they showed me I could
> have
cared less. It was boring and I couldn't see their application
> being
useful. Thanx to Steve Gartin in that video I now have a better
>
understanding and on top of that a USEFUL application concept.
We like to
teach the application with the technique so that folks understand
WHY they
are making certain precise movements. Seems an easier way to
understand
for me, but I find that only mature practitioners view things
from that
stand-point. Most folks like the flashy stuff.
> Chas, Chas,
Chas...you old bastard. The stuff you were showing
> in what looked like your
back yard was great everyday use on what to
> do with a knife when you are
out in public. No sugar coated stuff you
> can do in the dojo. Sure there was
some art aspects of the knife but
> most of the stuff I saw was fuctional. In
fact, all through it I saw
> comparisons to stuff I do in Systema knife and
stuff I have seen when
> I have been exposed to Pekiti Tersia. Vlad himself
loves to "disarm
> the gun" as you explained.
Chas has a talent for
nitty-gritty explanation! As a matter of fact, I can
think of no-one
his equal in that realm. I've always felt that he and I
make a
complimentary teaching unit - especially since he can explain me
better than
I can!
> Steve...
> Whoah...
> You are one fluid son of a biotch.
That double knife part of
> the video had my head moving like a spectator at
a retarded doubles
> tennis match with 10 tennis balls in action. The talk
you gave on
> drawing the blade and using it even when folded or the shealth
being a
> weapon and how to combine the two was great. I've seen stuff like
that
> but your explanation was awesome and you follwed it along by giving
> kewl examples.
We've actually had a lot of information out in
high-level circles for a
decade or better. Lots of self-proclaimed
*experts* have been using our
material for some time now. I appreciate
your compliment - thank you.
> Midway through my viewing I was
interrupted by a friend whom I
> like to train with, within minutes he spoke
up with, "Can I borrow
> this?" Of couse being the friend I am I said "No."
Ha ha ha! But he
> sat down and watched it with me. Totally enthralled.
Thanks for spreading the word. That is our best advertisement.
>
Who was that kid at the start of the video? Wow! He's like 10
> and moves
like that?
That's my son, Elijah Rock Gartin - he was six and seven then.
Since it's a
*family art* everyone practices.
>Uncle Bill looked like
some old dude but watching
> carefully his motion with that knife he's and
old dude I would be
> saying, "Uhhh...is there anything I can get for
you...Sir?"
When I first met Uncle Bill, we used to kid about him being
*most likely to
be mugged* jest from the stand-point that he appears an easy
mark. . .
Woops! - some day I'll tell you some really funny
stories. . .
> Also, that intro was kewl. At first I thought it was kinda
> stupid and just an intro for the credits and bad music but then I
>
suddenly stopped and saw a gate into for grappling. I was like, "Damn,
> I am
trying that in submission fighting this week. In fact, there is
> another
one. Hey, that's another entry!"
We call that *play* - but to get the
real drift, you need to have a knife in
your hands.
> Anyway, Pierre!
Dude, you will LOVE this video. I know that
> it's expensive making the cash
converstion but I honestly would
> recommend it. Badger, and the rest of us
Canucks, you guys too.
Hey, you Canadian guys shouldn't be sucking hind
tit here just because of
the conversion. Let's figure out how we can
level the price field for you
guys - let me know and Chas and I will make
adjustments.
> Seriously, thanx Chas and Steve. But now I hate you. It's
not
> fair. Like a pusher who gives out his first samples to hook his
>
clientel. But I have to say, when you get videos of actual fighting
> men,
(and not some wacko who is theoretical about his art and has
> videos in a
sterile evironment where he explain how things "should
> work,") well, you
can appreciate them.
DougŪ - that is a high complement and I appreciate
it. I want to thank you
for such a positive review.
> A big
thumbs up from me. Anyone on RMA who buys this video
> IMHO will be getting
their money's worth and a ton of stuff that they
> can use to work in
training that will be helpful.
> ...and that's my bottom line!
>
>
DougŪ
>
http://members.tripod.com/~russianmartialart/systema.html
The
Canadian contingency has certainly earned my respect and admiration.
You guys
all strike me as sincere and dedicated practitioners and I truly
appreciate
all your support over the years. When there is a way that I can
be of
assistance to any of you gentlemen, please let me know.
With highest
regards,
Steve Gartin - Free :-)>
www.kuntaosilat.com
Steve Gartin wrote:
> ......When there is
a way that I can
> be of assistance to any of you gentlemen, please let me
know.
Yeah; what he said.
And, anyone else who's having trouble with
the prices, let me know. I
know it sounds silly to say we're not in this for
the money, but we've
been giving away the store since we started out.
Ask
my wife <g>
The de Thouars Brothers gave this as a gift, and we can do no
less.
Admittedly, we're trying to pay off equipment and buy more, fix stuff,
and make more tapes and all that, but this has never been a paying
proposition for anyone involved.
The Gift of Gold has always been the same
for the Widow's Son as it is
for the Son of the Sultan; you do what you can
with an open heart and
a generous hand.
--
Chas Clements
casemaker 303-910-2685 (Denver area)
On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 01:22:55 +0100,
"Jacob Andersen" <duk@glem.det>
scribbled
with their crayola:
>It's a pretty good video, eh?
I really
enjoyed it.
DougŪ
http://members.tripod.com/~russianmartialart/systema.html
Yup Heartless
Monkey Knife 2 would be cool, and then we could hear Chas say
more memorable
quotes like "stick it in and rowdy them around" and "they
wiggle around and
shit". I showed my wife a barrowed Paul Vunak tape after
watching some of HMK
and she said What the hell is he (Paul Vunak) doing? I
just laughed. HMK is
everything everyone said it was, a sequel would be a
must have I'm sure.
"Steve Gartin" <steve@thunderrock.net>
wrote in message
news:3e5ee1d9_1@omega.dimensional.com...
> Good evening DougŪ
> Just
got home and pulled up the group and what do I find!
> I'm humbled - thank
you.
> "DougŪ" <sokolistalinaREMOVE@hotmail.com>
wrote in message
>
news:gh5t5v8hsdf045fs2r4cqu3o2tnu78m7va@4ax.com...
> > Well I finally got
a chance to see the heartless monkey video
> > that Chas and Steve have. I
thought I'd give you all my 2 cents worth
> > and you can take it or leave it
for whatever you want.
> > Wow....
> > Seriously...
> > Wow...
> >
If you own, play, work, or even like to look at knives and you
> > have not
picked up this video you are missing out on something.
> > I can't believe
the amount of info this video has. Everything
> > from practical carry and
use info on knife fighting to
> > emotional/psychological aspects of fighting
itself alone and knife use
> > as well.
>
> Do you think a sequel would
be in order?
>
> > Don't get me wrong, the video quality itself is nothing
to
> > write home about. It's not Steven Speilberg or George Lucas quality.
> > It is what it CONTAINS that makes it so damn good. It's a good
> >
compilation of stuff DESPITE the video quality.
>
> I'm working on the
quality issue, but quality is directly affected by cash
> flow; and it has
been a bit of a struggle for me the past 10 years or so.
> The next influx of
cash will buy new equipment - the improvement in
quality
> of production
should be noticable. I'm working on the Heartless Monkey
> Knife DVD
right this moment and it looks better to me.
>
> > I went to a silat
school a while back and when they tried to
> > teach me a Juru I was bored
stiff. I wanted to do the technical hands
> > on stuff. Even when I asked
application, when they showed me I could
> > have cared less. It was boring
and I couldn't see their application
> > being useful. Thanx to Steve Gartin
in that video I now have a better
> > understanding and on top of that a
USEFUL application concept.
>
> We like to teach the application with the
technique so that folks
understand
> WHY they are making certain precise
movements. Seems an easier way to
> understand for me, but I find that
only mature practitioners view things
> from that stand-point. Most
folks like the flashy stuff.
>
> > Chas, Chas, Chas...you old bastard. The
stuff you were showing
> > in what looked like your back yard was great
everyday use on what to
> > do with a knife when you are out in public. No
sugar coated stuff you
> > can do in the dojo. Sure there was some art
aspects of the knife but
> > most of the stuff I saw was fuctional. In fact,
all through it I saw
> > comparisons to stuff I do in Systema knife and stuff
I have seen when
> > I have been exposed to Pekiti Tersia. Vlad himself loves
to "disarm
> > the gun" as you explained.
>
> Chas has a talent for
nitty-gritty explanation! As a matter of fact, I
can
> think of
no-one his equal in that realm. I've always felt that he and I
> make a
complimentary teaching unit - especially since he can explain me
> better
than I can!
>
> > Steve...
> > Whoah...
> > You are one fluid son of
a biotch. That double knife part of
> > the video had my head moving like a
spectator at a retarded doubles
> > tennis match with 10 tennis balls in
action. The talk you gave on
> > drawing the blade and using it even when
folded or the shealth being a
> > weapon and how to combine the two was
great. I've seen stuff like that
> > but your explanation was awesome and you
follwed it along by giving
> > kewl examples.
>
> We've actually had a
lot of information out in high-level circles for a
> decade or better.
Lots of self-proclaimed *experts* have been using our
> material for some
time now. I appreciate your compliment - thank you.
>
> > Midway
through my viewing I was interrupted by a friend whom I
> > like to train
with, within minutes he spoke up with, "Can I borrow
> > this?" Of couse
being the friend I am I said "No." Ha ha ha! But he
> > sat down and watched
it with me. Totally enthralled.
>
> Thanks for spreading the word.
That is our best advertisement.
>
> > Who was that kid at the start of the
video? Wow! He's like 10
> > and moves like that?
>
> That's my son,
Elijah Rock Gartin - he was six and seven then. Since it's
a
>
*family art* everyone practices.
>
> >Uncle Bill looked like some old dude
but watching
> > carefully his motion with that knife he's and old dude I
would be
> > saying, "Uhhh...is there anything I can get for you...Sir?"
>
> When I first met Uncle Bill, we used to kid about him being *most likely
to
> be mugged* jest from the stand-point that he appears an easy mark. . .
>
Woops! - some day I'll tell you some really funny stories. . .
>
> > Also, that intro was kewl. At first I thought it was kinda
> > stupid and
just an intro for the credits and bad music but then I
> > suddenly stopped
and saw a gate into for grappling. I was like, "Damn,
> > I am trying that in
submission fighting this week. In fact, there is
> > another one. Hey, that's
another entry!"
>
> We call that *play* - but to get the real drift, you
need to have a knife
in
> your hands.
>
> > Anyway, Pierre! Dude,
you will LOVE this video. I know that
> > it's expensive making the cash
converstion but I honestly would
> > recommend it. Badger, and the rest of us
Canucks, you guys too.
>
> Hey, you Canadian guys shouldn't be sucking
hind tit here just because of
> the conversion. Let's figure out how we
can level the price field for you
> guys - let me know and Chas and I will
make adjustments.
>
> > Seriously, thanx Chas and Steve. But now I hate
you. It's not
> > fair. Like a pusher who gives out his first samples to hook
his
> > clientel. But I have to say, when you get videos of actual fighting
> > men, (and not some wacko who is theoretical about his art and has
> >
videos in a sterile evironment where he explain how things "should
> >
work,") well, you can appreciate them.
>
> DougŪ - that is a high
complement and I appreciate it. I want to thank
you
> for such a
positive review.
>
> > A big thumbs up from me. Anyone on RMA who buys
this video
> > IMHO will be getting their money's worth and a ton of stuff
that they
> > can use to work in training that will be helpful.
> > ...and
that's my bottom line!
> >
> > DougŪ
> >
http://members.tripod.com/~russianmartialart/systema.html
>
> The
Canadian contingency has certainly earned my respect and admiration.
> You
guys all strike me as sincere and dedicated practitioners and I truly
>
appreciate all your support over the years. When there is a way that I
can
> be of assistance to any of you gentlemen, please let me know.
>
>
With highest regards,
>
> Steve Gartin - Free :-)>
>
www.kuntaosilat.com
>
>
>
On 28 Feb 2003 09:36:48 GMT,
baj7d@node12.unix.Virginia.EDU (Badger)
scribbled with their crayola:
>OK the quality is not so good, but do you mean 'video quality'
>as in fuzzy
or out of focus or recorded at Extended mode
>(grainy) versus SLP (best
quality on your VCR), or just the
>lighting and backyard aspect.
>I don't
mind if it's got good content, but just wondering.
Well, the music is
kinda cheesy heh heh heh but it's pretty
good. I think it's very clear and
not grainy. When I say the video
quality is not the greatest I don't mean the
picture is bad at all.
It's taken at seminars and in backyards etc and you
can hear easily
what is going on so the sound isn't bad either. It's just not
like
flashy high production quality.
The content however is really good
and it's not hard to see or
hear it. Just don't be expecting any oscars! LOL!
>Thanks for the great review.
No problemo. I have about a handful of
videos that I have
bought that are awesome production quality from other
sources that the
information on them is just shit. This was the opposite.
Good info on
an average production quality.
DougŪ
http://members.tripod.com/~russianmartialart/systema.html
hcannon18
wrote:
> OK how do I get these videos? I really would like to have a set.
Charles
> can you go off RMA and e mail me a phone number to call and
order with my
> visa? Or an address to send a check to or whatever.
My
phone is in my sig- and the e-mail address is real; feel free to
call or
write.
You get the vids by either paying me or paying the distribution
company. Our tape company is American Magnetic Media
(www.amagnetic.com)
(1-800-USA-TAPES) and you can use your credit
card. I just set up a PayPal
account, but I don't know what to do with
it yet, so business with me is
cash, check or money order.
I can give the deals, the AMM can't.
> I
have collected and studied about every knife video made. Some are
> terrible;
but some are real good too. This one looks real good.
I've not heard
anything bad about it except as regards the production
values. We're not
movie makers, we're martial artists. The whole idea
started because Steve
wanted to chronicle the de Thouars' system and
archive it for the future.
Heartless Monkey Knife talks about knife choices, grips, carry
systems,
medical stuff, practice drills and solo exercises,
applications of
principles, technique- it's a couple of hours long,
and there is a *lot* of
information. We have them printed on the best
tape we can get, so you can use
it hard.
You can also go through our website at (www.kuntaosilat.com)
for the
special 3-tape deal, and use a credit card.
--
Chas
Clements
casemaker 303-910-2685 (Denver area)
I know it has been said
-- all the superlatives re the Chas/ Gartin videos.
The mark of good
material, whether literary, musical, or visual, is its
staying power. The
Chas/ Gartin efforts have this. On first view, you say
"Wow, this is
practical, real, raw, good stuff." On second viewing, you say
the same and
pick up more nuances, maybe some subtle asides. And so on and
on. Martial
arts have more than their share of frivolity, fluff, and
pretension. The
Chas/ Gartin productions are straight. One hopes that better
technical
approaches will not diminish their warm, inviting (even
hospitable), and
humorous qualities.
"Badger" <baj7d@node12.unix.Virginia.EDU>
wrote in message
news:b3najg$sa0$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...
>
> One thing about
instructional stuff. Isn't getting tapes
> actually better, in that most
modern VCRs with 4 heads are able
> to do good slo-mo, and rewind than you
can do with a DVD?
I don't think so. My DVD player can do
frame-by-frame and four levels of
slo-mo inbetween. Since each frame is
a digital picture, the quality
shouldn't degrade.
On Fri, 28
Feb 2003 14:41:02 GMT, Chas <gryphons@attbi.com>
scribbled
with their crayola:
>Heartless Monkey Knife talks about
knife choices, grips, carry
>systems, medical stuff, practice drills and solo
exercises,
>applications of principles, technique- it's a couple of hours
long,
>and there is a *lot* of information. We have them printed on the best
>tape we can get, so you can use it hard.
Fuck. I just watched it again
and got more out of it. Kewl.
DougŪ
http://members.tripod.com/~russianmartialart/systema.html
On Fri, 28 Feb
2003 15:37:01 GMT,
young_forest@hotmail.REEEMOVEcom
(Badger Jones) scribbled with their
crayola:
>We've already got it, dude. Made us believers.
Let
me guess, you never told me because I live south of
Toronto and you were
afraid Ollie might intercept the message?
DougŪ
http://members.tripod.com/~russianmartialart/systema.html
You got it
DougŪ - drop me an email.
Steve
"DougŪ" <sokolistalinaREMOVE@hotmail.com>
wrote in message
news:v91v5votcib2sljhjikrn6mpnpv82e4n3d@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003
10:25:05 -0500, Kirk Lawson
> <NO_lklawson_SPAM@heapy.com_SPAMSUX>
scribbled with their crayola:
>
> >Maybe you two could figure out a way to
find a Canadian distributor.
> >That's all I'm say'n.
>
> I'd be a rep
for my area of the country.
>
> >Steve said:
> >> > DougŪ - that is a
high complement and I appreciate it. I want to
thank
> >> >you for
such a positive review.
>
> >Doug said:
> >>
Well, neither one of you guys is as good looking as me but
> >> heck, we
can't all be as blessed.
> >>
=)
>
> >I always figured I'd rather have a good look'n wife then to be
good
> >look'n myself.
> >Funny how things work out, eh? ;-)
>
> Yeah, I managed to get both.
> =)
>
> DougŪ
>
http://members.tripod.com/~russianmartialart/systema.html
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>
> DougŪ <sokolistalinaREMOVE@hotmail.com>
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> > Well I finally
got a chance to see the heartless monkey video
> > that Chas and Steve have.
I thought I'd give you all my 2 cents worth
> > and you can take it or leave
it for whatever you want.
> > Wow....
>
> I realize I don't post here often, and tend to lurk (and laugh),
>
however I train with Badger Jones and Kevin
Well, that could explain why
you wouldn't want to poke your head up that
often. ;-)
Peace
favor your sword (IH)
--
"In these modern times, many men are wounded for
not having weapons or
knowledge of their use."
-Achille Marozzo, 1536
--
"...it's the nature of the media and the participants. A herd of martial
artists gets together and a fight breaks out; quelle surprise."
-Chas
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Not only do we not care about production values (as long as the
tape is clear
and not grainy or out of focus, which these are
NOT), the content is totally
Key.
Plus, I can tell you from my couple of convos with Steve and
Chas
that these guys are TOP drawer, and well worth supporting
with our money and
time.
-B
--
baj7d@virginia.edu
"Badger" <baj7d@node3.unix.Virginia.EDU>
wrote in message
news:b3oe6p$akb$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...
> In article <v5v0d71t780344@corp.supernews.com>,
> .B. <jagerball@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> >
> >"Badger" <baj7d@node12.unix.Virginia.EDU>
wrote in message
> >news:b3najg$sa0$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...
> >>
> >> One thing about instructional stuff. Isn't getting tapes
> >> actually
better, in that most modern VCRs with 4 heads are able
> >> to do good slo-mo,
and rewind than you can do with a DVD?
> >
> >I don't think so. My
DVD player can do frame-by-frame and four levels of
> >slo-mo inbetween.
Since each frame is a digital picture, the quality
> >shouldn't degrade.
>
> Dammit. I just knew my DVD sucked! I got the Sony DVP-NS400D.
> It has no
real slowmo controls at all. It's got Scan/Slow,
> which sucks, and that's
it. @#%$$!@#
>
> What kind do you have? ;-)
Marantz DV3100.
I'm lookin' for a new one though, maybe the Marantz DV8300
Why do they
call it "Heartless Monkey"?
-frl
Dave Pimlott wrote:
> I look
forward to HMK (or HMK 2) coming out on DVD (do you guys do
> pre-order?!? :)
). Also what would be the shipping costs to the UK?
It runs about
$8.
We can pre-order simply by you're letting us know and I'll contact you
when things become available.
> I could use these DVD(s) to complement my
Kali / Escrima skills (if you can
> call what I have "skill" ;) )
Sure- it's all very similar stuff in many ways.
--
Chas Clements
casemaker 303-910-2685 (Denver area)
Good evening Dave,
"Dave Pimlott"
<nospam@spamfrustrator.invalid.tla>
wrote in message
news:arho3b.mj.ln@bigun.home...
> On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:20:26 -0700,
Steve Gartin <steve@thunderrock.net>
wrote:
> >
> > Do you think a sequel would be in order?
>
> judging
by all the positive comments... YES!!
OK, I'll start work on it next
week.
>
> I look forward to HMK (or HMK 2) coming out on DVD (do you guys
do
> pre-order?!? :) ). Also what would be the shipping costs to the
UK?
>
> I could use these DVD(s) to complement my Kali / Escrima skills
(if you
can
> call what I have "skill" ;) )
>
As a matter of fact,
I'm usually favorably impressed with the skills taught
in other martial arts.
It is easier to take someone with *skill* and teach
applications than to
start raw. IMO
> My reply to address is valid for any off newgroup
correspondence.
So is mine . . . how unusual.
>
> With respect,
>
> Dave.
>
Mutually!
> --
> All extremists should be taken out
and shot.
Sign me up.
Steve Gartin - Free :-)>
www.kuntaosilat.com
Yeah Badger South,
"Badger" <baj7d@node12.unix.Virginia.EDU>
wrote in message
news:b3najg$sa0$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...
>
>
> Thanks for the
great review.
>
> By the way, I saw one video, fairly famousl, called
'surviving
> edged weapons' (SEW). And on it one of the 'experts' was doing
> a 'fast draw' of his knife. Man, it was just ridiculous. The
> guy was the
slowest knife drawer I've ever seen. It's good to
> know that we now have a
good quality tape on edged weapons. Of
> course part of SEW was pretty good.
Just was laughing at the
> 'quick draw' part.
>
> -B
> --
>
baj7d@virginia.edu
The COPs at Greenwood Village were watching that
video when I brought Pak
Victor in and introduced him to the locals.
They were BLOWN away. We ended
up conducting the first
Offensive/Defensive Force Course there. The course
is now available on
DVD or VHS.
http://www.kuntaosilat.com/webstore/shopping.htm
I've sent a master
to Pak Victor so he may have it on his website soon too.
Steve Gartin -
Free :-)>
www.kuntaosilat.com
> I just set up a PayPal account, but I don't know what to do with
>it yet,
so business with me is cash, check or money order.
>I can give the deals, the
AMM can't.
>
Hey Chas,
I been a regular with PayPal for some time
now.
If you need anything, holler. If your account is open
all you need to
give is your Paypal name and anyone here
can begin sending payments to your
account.
Get the Debit Card and you can use it anywhere that takes
MasterCard.
I use mine to ship at the post office. Makes it easy.
Reserve
ODF for me. I.ll be rolling again as soon as I get back on
solid food <G>
Perk
Hello All,
Just got another site up:
http://www.dimensional.com/~gartin/KTS/DVDs.html
No banners - no
bandwidth problems, more DVDs listed.
Steve Gartin - Free :-)>
www.kuntaosilat.com
"Steve Gartin" <steve@thunderrock.net>
wrote in message
news:3e6021a1_3@omega.dimensional.com...
> Yeah Badger South,
>
>
"Badger" <baj7d@node12.unix.Virginia.EDU>
wrote in message
>
news:b3najg$sa0$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...
> >
> >
> > Thanks
for the great review.
> >
> > By the way, I saw one video, fairly famousl,
called 'surviving
> > edged weapons' (SEW). And on it one of the 'experts'
was doing
> > a 'fast draw' of his knife. Man, it was just ridiculous. The
> > guy was the slowest knife drawer I've ever seen. It's good to
> > know
that we now have a good quality tape on edged weapons. Of
> > course part of
SEW was pretty good. Just was laughing at the
> > 'quick draw' part.
> >
> > -B
> > --
> > baj7d@virginia.edu
>
> The COPs at Greenwood Village were watching that video when I brought Pak
> Victor in and introduced him to the locals. They were BLOWN away.
We
ended
> up conducting the first Offensive/Defensive Force Course there.
The
course
> is now available on DVD or VHS.
>
http://www.kuntaosilat.com/webstore/shopping.htm
>
> I've sent a
master to Pak Victor so he may have it on his website soon
too.
>
>
Steve Gartin - Free :-)>
>
www.kuntaosilat.com
>
>
>
In article <3e6021a1_3@omega.dimensional.com>,
Steve Gartin <steve@thunderrock.net>
wrote:
>Yeah Badger South,
>
>"Badger" <baj7d@node12.unix.Virginia.EDU>
wrote in message
>news:b3najg$sa0$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the great review.
>>
>> By the way, I saw one video, fairly
famousl, called 'surviving
>> edged weapons' (SEW). And on it one of the
'experts' was doing
>> a 'fast draw' of his knife. Man, it was just
ridiculous. The
>> guy was the slowest knife drawer I've ever seen. It's good
to
>> know that we now have a good quality tape on edged weapons. Of
>>
course part of SEW was pretty good. Just was laughing at the
>> 'quick draw'
part.
>>
>> -B
>> --
>>
baj7d@virginia.edu
>
>The COPs at Greenwood Village were watching that
video when I brought Pak
>Victor in and introduced him to the locals.
They were BLOWN away. We ended
>up conducting the first
Offensive/Defensive Force Course there. The course
>is now available on
DVD or VHS.
>http://www.kuntaosilat.com/webstore/shopping.htm
>
>I've
sent a master to Pak Victor so he may have it on his website soon too.
>
>Steve Gartin - Free :-)>
>www.kuntaosilat.com
>
Just a quick tip that
I'm sure most of you guys know already.
"How so you get your weapon out
of an ankle holster. Isn't it a
pain to try and bend over and stuff and pull
your pant leg up?"
(The guy on the SEW video was trying to do this.)
Sheesh, you just go to a kneeling position with the housed leg
up, and the uh
pants leg rises up accordingly. Plus you've just
created a smaller target.
Alternately, you raise the housed leg up and put it on the
table or chair,
red-neck loitering position while you're
talking to the bad-guy, all casual,
house position on the inner
ankle hidden by your leg forward, and you can
snap the weapon
out so fast it will scare the shit outta him.
I
thought everyone knew this.
BTW, a friend of a friend just got one of
those AlMar Corby
Tanto folders for his b-Day. I called him up and all you
could
hear was the 'snap', 'snap' of him firing that puppy. Heh, heh.
GOt
a good deal on it too. Swift item. Of course it's not as
fast as a microtech,
but I guess he's savin' up fer dat. I had
no idea you could get those as a
civvy! No questions asked, he
told me. ;-)
-B
--
baj7d@virginia.edu
In article <v5vlkm31go7q1a@corp.supernews.com>,
.B. <jagerball@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>
>"Badger" <baj7d@node3.unix.Virginia.EDU>
wrote in message
>news:b3oe6p$akb$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...
>> In
article <v5v0d71t780344@corp.supernews.com>,
>> .B. <jagerball@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>> >
>> >"Badger" <baj7d@node12.unix.Virginia.EDU>
wrote in message
>> >news:b3najg$sa0$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...
>> >>
>> >> One thing about instructional stuff. Isn't getting tapes
>> >> actually
better, in that most modern VCRs with 4 heads are able
>> >> to do good slo-mo,
and rewind than you can do with a DVD?
>> >
>> >I don't think so. My
DVD player can do frame-by-frame and four levels of
>> >slo-mo inbetween.
Since each frame is a digital picture, the quality
>> >shouldn't degrade.
>>
>> Dammit. I just knew my DVD sucked! I got the Sony DVP-NS400D.
>> It
has no real slowmo controls at all. It's got Scan/Slow,
>> which sucks, and
that's it. @#%$$!@#
>>
>> What kind do you have? ;-)
>
>
>Marantz
DV3100. I'm lookin' for a new one though, maybe the Marantz DV8300
OK, I'll check that out on pricescan.com, and others. I'm
looking for one of
the newer ones that plays .mpgs, too. Maybe
I'll donate the Sony to a poor
relative? ;-)
Thanksamillion!
-B
--
baj7d@virginia.edu
Hey Chas,
Any new self-defense products in the
works?
<blushing> Hey, thank you! I appreciate your kind sentiments.
Steve
<yotony@rmi.net> wrote in
message
news:b3nugj$d2a$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net...
>
> I know it has been
said -- all the superlatives re the Chas/ Gartin
videos.
> The mark of
good material, whether literary, musical, or visual, is its
> staying power.
The Chas/ Gartin efforts have this. On first view, you say
> "Wow, this is
practical, real, raw, good stuff." On second viewing, you
say
> the same
and pick up more nuances, maybe some subtle asides. And so on and
> on.
Martial arts have more than their share of frivolity, fluff, and
>
pretension. The Chas/ Gartin productions are straight. One hopes that
better
> technical approaches will not diminish their warm, inviting (even
>
hospitable), and humorous qualities.
"DougŪ" <sokolistalinaREMOVE@hotmail.com>
wrote in message
news:q02v5vskd0t6o48c03v45a93qs0en2ho7q@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003
15:37:01 GMT,
young_forest@hotmail.REEEMOVEcom
> (Badger Jones) scribbled with their
crayola:
>
> >We've already got it, dude. Made us believers.
>
> Let me guess, you never told me because I live south of
> Toronto and you
were afraid Ollie might intercept the message?
>
> DougŪ
>
http://members.tripod.com/~russianmartialart/systema.html
Any part of
Canada south of TO is almost the USA anyway. I mean, they have
*vinyards*
in S. Ont.- it's almost like California! Besides, it's not like
you can
swim in Lake Erie. Ontario is supposed to have *fresh* water. ;)
Except
for Walkerton, of course. :(
tpm
Good Evening,
Chas is
often shy about taking credit, but Chas coined the term. Sounded
great
to me, so we went with it.
Steve Gartin - Free :-)>
www.kuntaosilat.com
"Chas" <gryphons@attbi.com>
wrote in message
news:3E5FF0FD.4F8EE25B@attbi.com...
> Oliver Richman wrote:
> >
> >
Why do they call it "Heartless Monkey"?
>
> Because Monkey fights 'wide
open, heartless and inviting'.
> Monkey is the only 'animal model' that looks
like Man (don't think of
> the little Paulie Zink Monkey, think of a
mandrill/baboon/rock ape).
> SerakŪ is known as the Decoy System because we
set up traps for the
> opponent; positioning, timing, spacial things, sounds-
all kinds of
> them. As much as we're based on any Chinese model of martial
art, it
> is all filtered through the Indonesian outlook on things.
>
>
--
> Chas Clements
> casemaker 303-910-2685 (Denver area)
Oliver
Richman wrote:
>
> Why do they call it "Heartless Monkey"?
Because
Monkey fights 'wide open, heartless and inviting'.
Monkey is the only 'animal
model' that looks like Man (don't think of
the little Paulie Zink Monkey,
think of a mandrill/baboon/rock ape).
SerakŪ is known as the Decoy System
because we set up traps for the
opponent; positioning, timing, spacial
things, sounds- all kinds of
them. As much as we're based on any Chinese
model of martial art, it
is all filtered through the Indonesian outlook on
things.
--
Chas Clements
casemaker 303-910-2685 (Denver area)
Rob Peaker wrote:
> ......I
> used Chas' trick of reinforcing my knife
hand with my free hand.
It's the de Thouars' trick.
Victor
says; 'Two hands for beginners; two hands for gurus too.'
A lot of what we do
is to isolate the opponents 'part' (arm, leg,
head, etc) and apply a lot of
our body to it. Same thing the other
way; we reinforce any body part as it
attacks or defends.
Victor also said; 'If you can't fight the (whole) man,
fight the arm;
if you can't fight the arm, fight the hand; if you can't fight
the
hand, fight the finger; if you can't fight the finger, fight the
joint; if you can't fight the joint, fight the skin.' You pick
whatever it is
you think you can whip and cut it off from it's
defenses.
--
Chas
Clements
casemaker 303-910-2685 (Denver area)
On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:20:26
-0700, Steve Gartin <steve@thunderrock.net>
wrote:
>
> Do you think a sequel would be in order?
judging by all
the positive comments... YES!!
I look forward to HMK (or HMK 2) coming
out on DVD (do you guys do
pre-order?!? :) ). Also what would be the
shipping costs to the UK?
I could use these DVD(s) to complement my Kali
/ Escrima skills (if you can
call what I have "skill" ;) )
My reply to
address is valid for any off newgroup correspondence.
With respect,
Dave.
--
All extremists should be taken out and shot.
In article <v5v0d71t780344@corp.supernews.com>,
.B. <jagerball@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>
>"Badger" <baj7d@node12.unix.Virginia.EDU>
wrote in message
>news:b3najg$sa0$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...
>>
>>
One thing about instructional stuff. Isn't getting tapes
>> actually better,
in that most modern VCRs with 4 heads are able
>> to do good slo-mo, and
rewind than you can do with a DVD?
>
>I don't think so. My DVD
player can do frame-by-frame and four levels of
>slo-mo inbetween.
Since each frame is a digital picture, the quality
>shouldn't degrade.
Dammit. I just knew my DVD sucked! I got the Sony DVP-NS400D.
It has no real
slowmo controls at all. It's got Scan/Slow,
which sucks, and that's it.
@#%$$!@#
What kind do you have? ;-)
-B
--
baj7d@virginia.edu
DougŪ <sokolistalinaREMOVE@hotmail.com>
wrote in message
news:<gh5t5v8hsdf045fs2r4cqu3o2tnu78m7va@4ax.com>...
> Well I finally got
a chance to see the heartless monkey video
> that Chas and Steve have. I
thought I'd give you all my 2 cents worth
> and you can take it or leave it
for whatever you want.
> Wow....
I realize I don't post here often,
and tend to lurk (and laugh),
however I train with Badger Jones and Kevin (if
you really want to you
can ask them). We were doing some knife work a
couple of weeks
ago...the hot potato drill. (See desc. of this drill
below.)
Anyhow, the intensity level was rising, and I ended up going for
a low
stab at one of the more solid members of our club. He grabbed and
isolated my knife hand and was getting a good start on a disarm. Due
to
the fact that I had recently been watching Kev's copy of HMK, I
used Chas'
trick of reinforcing my knife hand with my free hand. The
net result
was that my rather solid training partner ended up taking
the training blade
right across the throat. Ouch! Just one of the
little gems that I
picked up from the video....
Hot Potato Drill:
- 1 training knife
-
a group of participants in a circle, one starts out in the middle of
the
circle, with the knife
- the knife wielder randomly singles out an opponent
and attacks
- the defender counters and goes for a disarm, once the disarm
has
been achieved, he becomes the new attacker and again randomly selects
someone and attacks (with the disarmed opponent going back into the
circle)
- the knife is the hot potato
- the idea is to train flow and reaction time
- start with a co-operative mindset and gradually increase the
resistance
Cheers,
Rob.
DougŪ <sokolistalinaREMOVE@hotmail.com>
wrote in message
news:<gh5t5v8hsdf045fs2r4cqu3o2tnu78m7va@4ax.com>...
> Anyway,
Pierre! Dude, you will LOVE this video.
I *do* love that video.
I've had it for more than a year now, and
every time I watch it I learn
something new. "Information Rich" is
hardly adequate.
I agree
with everything you said, BTW. I recommend this video every
chance I
get.
Pierre
On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:25:05 -0500, Kirk Lawson
<NO_lklawson_SPAM@heapy.com_SPAMSUX>
scribbled with their crayola:
>Maybe you two could figure out a way to
find a Canadian distributor.
>That's all I'm say'n.
I'd be a rep for
my area of the country.
>Steve said:
>> > DougŪ - that is a high
complement and I appreciate it. I want to thank
>> >you for such a
positive review.
>Doug said:
>>
Well, neither one of you guys is as good l |
