Pleas allow me a partial repost of something I wrote in another thread a few weeks back:
"Liberator" is mentally ill -- Anything the man says is the product of a malfunctioning brain -- the hardware light blinks red all the time, and you'd get a more logical coversation from your dog, who might not be able to say much, but who almost certainly doesn't believe that the country is run by Steven Spielberg, a cabal of witches, and Libby's ex-girlfriend.
His trolly is off the tracks; he's two sandwiches short of a picnic; his elevator doesn't leave the basement; his brain peed on a spark plug while the motor was running; he's bonkers, pixilated, looney tunes. Slipped a cog, busted an axle, left his sanity in his other jacket.
Nothing anyone can say or do is going to matter to him -- he won't get it because he can't get it. It's sad. His life seems to consist of offering trolls on the net. He is to be pitied. The mentally ill in our country are treated poorly, and Libby is a not-so-shining example of that.
His target of late is silat, but that's only one of a long list. He has offered challenges to Steve Gartin and Chas Clement, either of whom could tie him in knots without raising their pulse rate. Every time one of them shows up somewhere public where Libby could put his threats into reality -- offering pictures to prove they were there -- Libby has business elsewhere. That's how it will always be. He's crazy, but not suicidal.
Think of him as the wind howling past your window, and pay him as much mind as you would the wind.
-- Steve Perry
Mark Zahn purportedly arranged a full-contact, no protective equipment, no rules match with either Chas or myself at 3:00 P.M. Chas and I were there, then. Mark Zahn was no where to be found. No one would admit to knowing him.
3:00 PM and we can't find a challenge anywhere . . . jest nice people having fun with ample padding and nice rules.
The highly publicized meeting of Mark Zahn, a.k.a. the LIBERATOR wherein he threatened to kill me or Chas.
Tournament Director: Ghassan Timini explaining to Steve and Chas that he doesn't know Mark Zahn, a.k.a. LIBERATOR and does not sanction full-contact, no-protective-equipment, no rules combat and would NEVER endorse such a combat.
Mr. Timini, the Tournament Director explains that there is NO Full-Contact exhibition matches scheduled for 3:PM.
Imagine my disappointment ;-(>>>
Mr. Ghassan Timini re-interates what he told me when I first called him. Never heard of Mark Zahn a.k.a. LIBERATOR.
Mr. J.W. Kim meets Steve Gartin
Mr. J.W. Kim meets Steve Gartin for the first time. He remembers the call that I made to his school when LIBERATOR first made his full-contact, no-protective equipment, no rules challenge to Chas and I. Mr. J.W. Kim explains that he doesn't know Mark Zahn, a.k.a. LIBERATOR
Steve Gartin explains to Mr. J.W. Kim that Mark Zahn, a.k.a. LIBERATOR publicizes his school as the ultimate combat style on the world wide web. Mr. Kim replies that his is a sport TKD school and would never sanction or promote actual combat. His establishment is what Mr. Kim refers to as "a peaceful school." This tournament surely exemplified that sort of sportsmanship.
Steve informs Mr. Kim of what Mark A. Zahn, a.k.a. LIBERATOR is touting on the web. Mr. Kim denies any knowledge of Zahn.
After a brief conversation, we begin to realize that both he and we have been set up.
So, $75 later we find new friends . . . well worth the venture.
It becomes obvious that no one at the 2004 TKD Championships ever met, let alone knows, Mark Zahn.
We part as friends with the sure knowledge that LIBERATOR is a fake, fraud and provocateur. We were all duped.
The digital camera provides a little better pictures than captures from the video! Mr. Kim wanted us to be sure to let the WWW know that he does not know Mark Zahn a.k.a. LIBERATOR and is a peaceful man with a peaceful school full of kind people of integrity and sincerity. It was a pleasure to meet Mr. J.W. Kim and it appeared that his students were doing very well in the competition. It seems that Mark Zahn is running out of people to make challenges in behalf of. No one seems interested in sponsoring his challenges . . . to which he, of course, doesn't show.
The Great Liberator Challenge - NOT!
Mark Zahn continued his threats and challenges, in spite of the cowardice exhibited above. Since he wants to beat up some old men, including Willem de Thouars, we let him know where and when Chas, Willem and I would all be together and where Mark Zahn could challenge anyone he cared to. There were actually several youngsters there who would relish a challenge match with Mark Zahn, but once again, his cowardice prevailed and Mark Zahn decided to be somewhere else and "shout rude names" from the bushes and under the rocks where he lives.
Uncle Bill's Seminar @ KempoFirst
We had originally planned a seminar for this weekend, but when we discovered that Uncle Bill was conducting a seminar this same weekend, we decided instead to film our next DVD with some of our new students and then drop in to see Uncle Bill.
[Chas Clements - Ron Carlson - Steve Gartin]
Mark Zahn has been continually threatening Chas and I, so once again, I told him where we would be and when. Once again Mark Zahn did not show.
Below is only the latest of literally hundreds of NewsGroup Posts threatening Willem, Chas and I.
"LIBERATOR" <LIBERATOR@casino.com> wrote in message news:12907920.0405222200.176082ef@posting.google.com... > "Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<9Z-dnRWW1pHspjPdRVn-gQ@comcast.com>... > > "LIBERATOR" <LIBERATOR@casino.com> wrote > > > Tell Gartin to invite me down. > > > > You're the challenger- the onus is on you to show up- > > particularly as you've chickened out three times now. > > So then give me an official invite with no time, so it's good for > anytime. Legal waiver. > > Oh wait, that Dawn Newbon girl was trying to pretend to be his lawyer > and admitted that I would hurt Gartin, Gartin is scared of me and > refuses to waive any legal rights regarding physical harm I could > commit. Should I retrieve the post Chas and burn you in your little > failure of lying again to try to cover your self-incrimination? > > > > Or wait, If I go & show up at Dethours > > > and beat the shit out of him, Gartin would be provoked wouldn't he. > > > > You'd never need to worry. > > So you're saying that Dethours can handle me eh? Who has he handled > before? He never fought once in his life yet you're believing he can > handle me. Ok. We'll just have to get him to prove his smitten. > > > > > He will stalk a woman, but is afraid of men. > > > Tell it to Dethours when I stop up in Westminster. > > > > He already knows. > > Ok. He's gonna call the cops I bet. I noticed you had your female > witch owner try to put a spell on this situation. Hey Chas, it failed. > > > Chas
> Hey John, are you going to be at the seminar in Denver? > Chas and I will both be at the seminar today at 5838 West 25th Avenue in Edgewater, Colorado. So will Willem de Thouars.
> Would you be open to a full contact match for your demonstration fighting me? I'm a Ji Do Kwan TKD fighter, taught by Chos TKD www.chos.com it's USTU/WTF style. > > Steve Gartin & Chas Clements are students of Dethours, and they have a problem with their mouths. I'd like to settle it by a challenge match, but they continually refuse to fight. I figure it's because they're old & brittle. I figured you look young and maybe you'd be up to the proving your regimen of training works or doesn't work. I keep telling them they don't do sparring therefore their stuff doesn't work, and Dethours too doesn't practice sparring so his stuff is all fantasy. > Mark, all you have to do is show up and pick a fight. No one is going to challenge you, you're psychotic.
> Perhaps you can invite a student (me) from the /WTF down and prove it does or doesn't. BTW, Chos is the top ranked school out of 13900 schools worldwide in the WTF, and I've fought national champions that have a history of knocking out their opponents and hospitalizing them. I don't mean to be unfairly hostile to you, but something official needs to happen to get Gartin & Chas to close their mouths and stop ripping people off by using Usenet. > You have made the statement many times that you would be "there" within hours. Well, once again, you know where "there" is.
> I know for a fact I can knock out Dethours quite easily, he has no footwork or cadence skills and no timing all 3 should be one element fused. You only get those skills from actual full contact sparring practice. I'd even be willing to go light contact sparring with you John, just to prove a point, not to humiliate you. Again, because Steve Gartin & Chas talk & talk & talk "shit" but absolutely will not deliver, this needs to take place. I also can provide online video footage of my full contact sparring of which I kicked my opponent in the head twice and knocked him down, that was me testing at Chos for a green belt. Chos TKD developed the curriculum for the entire WTF and you possibly heard of the Korean Tigers on www.turtlepress.com. http://www.mudokwan.at/download.htm > If you are not too cowardly, again, to show up, you will have your choice of a really old man, an old man, or another old man to challenge. If you were smart, which you are not, there are even young men there who will be joyous to accept a challenge from a fool like you.
> If you don't feel or understand why you are receiving this it's because of Steve Gartin who is CC'd and again he's talking "shit" as they say but again refuses to deliver. > Mark, I have told you where I would be when at least a dozen times. I even showed up in Castle Rock for your official challenge. You did NOT show. You have another chance today. You know where and when.
> Please let me know. Personally I think you should force Steve Gartin to fight because of his mouth, he's disgraced your school/style and Dethours, and if he refuses to fight you should ban him from association with you/organization or claiming any ties. > > Thanks, > Mark Zahn > -- Today, you will have the chance to speak with Willem de Thouars, Chas, or myself and if you are fool enough to pick a fight, you'll have the opportunity to experience Kun tao and silat first hand. You are the mouthy one Mark. You are the one who never shows up to your own challenge. You are the one that all the USTU/WTF people deny any knowledge of.
[Steve Gartin - Ron Carlson - Willem de Thouars - Wayne Welsh - Bart Mann - Chas Clements]
Once again, Chas and I had the great honor and pleasure of having a great time with great people. We got to see some old friends and rekindle old alliances. I had the honor of assisting Uncle in his seminar and we got to catch up on new happenings and reminisce over the good old days.
[Steve Gartin - Willem de Thouars - Chas Clements]
